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While we appreciate your updates to the various Safeguard and Mayhem articles (temp powers, etc), I would greatly appreciate if you could provide brief descriptions of the changes you make in the Summary: field below the edit box. You scared me at first, looked like another malicious bot had edited random pages (no summary, all minor edits. Glad it wasn't Smilies smile.gif.

Happy editing! --Konoko 16:39, 23 January 2007 (PST)


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Again, welcome!

Thanks. (Using this as a convenient excuse to play with the colon and signature code.) --Eabrace 17:02, 25 January 2007 (PST)
If you want to play around with editing, I highly encourage you to check out the WikiMedia sandbox page. Anything you change on it will be blown away daily. Go nuts and have fun! --TonyV 21:03, 25 January 2007 (PST)

Invention Sets

Just noticed that you're helping out with the set and enhancement pages. Thanks! Is there a pattern to which pages you're doing? I don't want to duplicate effort. There's a couple of minor things on the enhancement pages you probably aren't aware of that are biting you:

  • Please round the enhancement effects numbers to one decimal place, i.e. 12.8 instead of 12.8125. The extra digits make the table too wide for folks running 1024x768 screens.
  • The "margin=4" thing I add sometimes in the DropRecipeTable is for the special case where a second-of-three table is shorter than the one before it. If margin isn't added at the end, then narrowing the window would put table 2 to the right of table 1, and table 3 directly below table 2, which looks weird. The margin adds some space to the end of table 2 to knock table 3 to the left margin in these cases. Most tables don't need it.
  • The third parameter to DropRecipeTable is the number of data rows in the table, i.e. for a table from levels 15 to 20, the number is 6 (20 - 15 + 1). if it's too big, the bottom border of the table doesn't get drawn right on some browsers.

Hope this helps, and sorry I didn't document this better in the template pages. --Lin Chiao Feng

You're welcome. I stumbled across a spreadsheet which I believe originated from Iakona - or so the link I followed said, and it certainly looks like his handiwork - and I'm using the data in there to update while I'm compiling tests at work.  :)
Right now I'm working through the Melee Damage sets. So, in order, the next few I should be tackling would be: Smashing Haymaker, Kinetic Combat, Focused Smite, Touch of Death, Crushing Impact, Mako's Bite.
  • Noted. Will start rounding to the nearest 0.1.
  • Just copying and pasting, but good to know what that's for.
  • I figured that one out, but sometimes probably forget to update the number.
Was just about to ask: Do we have different templates for the headers on recipes that are obtained through Task Forces or missions from the one used for random drops?
--Eabrace 19:33, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
Nope. I'm not sure where that belongs. It could easily become clutter. Personally, I like the Recipe Drop Pools page, assuming it gets tightened up a bit. That info could also go well in the category (Sets which improve Ranged Damage, etc.) pages, because you'd want to know what to do to get the recipes in the different sets. --Lin Chiao Feng 20:08, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
Gotcha. Just seems a little misleading to have a recipe say that it's obtainable by fighting enemies when it's not. Maybe instead of a separate template, a parameter that would identify drop/TF/mission/etc. and modify the text accordingly? Dunno, templates aren't something I've really gotten into yet, so I'm just thinking out loud. --Eabrace 20:43, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
Well, there's a parameter (set to U or R) for the rarity. That can be changed to indicate drop pool as well (with TR, TF, and M). If you happen across one of these recipes, can you go to the store and tell me what it sells for vs. its level? I'm betting it's also 200 * level, but I'm not sure. In the meantime, I'll change the template to support M, TF, and TR. --Lin Chiao Feng 21:12, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
Cool. Looks good. All the data I have in front of me would also indicate that you are correct about the pricing for all of the M/TF/TR recipes being 200 * level as well. --Eabrace 18:18, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Another problem: you're showing level 51-53 enhancements as having improved performance vs. level 50, but the Wentworth's screen say s it caps at the level 50 effect. I've been showing levels 50-53 as a single column in the enhancement effects tables, but if that's not the case, please let me know. --Lin Chiao Feng 21:12, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

Again, just going from the numbers I had in front of me. It would stand to reason that if the crafting costs keep going up from 50-53 that the effectiveness would as well. At any rate, I'm standing in Wetworth's as I type this and from what I can see by hovering over the enhancements, the text descriptions would indicate that you're correct about the effectiveness remaining constant across those levels. I'll go back in and fix the ones I've done so far. --Eabrace 18:18, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
Unfortunately, the costs go up while the effect doesn't. It's a plain old ripoff. --Lin Chiao Feng 19:58, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

I just spent this morning overhauling my templates for the enhancement pages. The documentation isn't very good, though. Look at Air Burst or Aegis to see what I've done. The main issue left is that the salvage list could be streamlined some (but I'm not sure what that would do to DPL), and there are several tables that haven't been entered. I've got a program that can generate the tables; I just need to find the ones I need (if I did all of them, there would be 4(schedules) * 4(effects per enhancement) * 13 (level ranges) = too dang much. Let me know what isn't clear, so I know what to document first. --Lin Chiao Feng 19:58, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Wow. That's really streamlined. I guess for documentation, something like this would be good:
The DropRecipeTables template creates a set of tables for IO set enhancements that details the salvage and influence/infamy required to craft the enhancement at each level.
Syntax: {{DropRecipeTables|from=MIN|to=MAX|(salvage 10-24)|(salvage 25-40)|(salvage 41-53)}}
  • from=MIN
The from parameter sets the lowest level at which a particular IO set enhancement is available. This is a required parameter.
MIN is the constant variable indicating the lowest level the IO is available.
  • to=MAX
The to parameter sets the highest level at which a particular IO set enhancement is available. This is a required parameter.
MAX is the constant variable indicating the highest level the IO is available.
  • Salvage Lists
Each salvage list indicates the salvage required across each applicable level range of the IO set enhancement. Separate lists are required for each of the following level ranges:
  • 10-24
  • 25-40
  • 41-53
If an IO set enhancement is not available anywhere in a specific level range, the salvage list for that range should be left blank.
Example: An IO set enhancement is available from levels 25-53. For levels 25-40, one Ancient Bone, one Inert Gas, one Alchemical Gold, and one Reactive Gas are required. For levels 41-53, one Regenerating Flesh, one Temporal Analyzer, one Psionic Threat Report, and one Chronal Skip.
|{{ISalvage|Ancient Bone|1}}<br />{{ISalvage|Inert Gas|1}}<br />{{ISalvage|Alchemical Gold|1}}<br />{{ISalvage|Reactive Gas|1}}
|{{ISalvage|Regenerating Flesh|1}}<br />{{ISalvage|Temporal Analyzer|1}}<br />{{ISalvage|Psionic Threat Report|1}}<br />{{ISalvage|Chronal Skip|1}}}}
Level Crafting Requirements
Inf Invention Salvage
25 37,400 Salvage BoneFragment.png 1 Ancient Bone
Salvage InertGas.png 1 Inert Gas
Salvage AlchemicalGold.png 1 Alchemical Gold
Salvage ReactiveGas.png 1 Reactive Gas
26 38,660
27 39,920
28 41,180
29 42,440
30 43,700
31 48,200
32 52,700
33 57,200
34 61,700
35 66,200
36 73,920
37 81,640
38 89,360
39 97,080
40 209,600
Level Crafting Requirements
Inf Invention Salvage
41 121,260 Salvage Tissuesample.png 1 Regenerating Flesh
Salvage TemporalAnalyzer.png 1 Temporal Analyzer
Salvage MilitaryIntelligence.png 1 Psionic Threat Report
Salvage TechHardwareold.png 1 Chronal Skip
42 137,720
43 154,180
44 170,640
45 187,100
46 198,720
47 210,340
48 221,960
49 233,580
50 490,400

1) That might be way more detail that you were looking for.
2) I'm not certain on the level ranges, but I think that's right. Just threw them in there off the top of my head.
3) Not certain how to make a double '{' or '}' appear without actually referencing the template. Also not certain how to show the code for the line break in there without it actually producing a line break. Will go hunting for those in a second here. (Edit: Found it.)
Added to the Template:DropRecipeTables/Doc page, with some editing. Thanks! --Lin Chiao Feng 08:49, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Spruce Hammer

Congratulations, man. You earned it. Now take a break and play a game or something. --Lin Chiao Feng 08:49, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Living Game Manual

Under Creating a Character, you start with Selecting an Archetype. I suggest you start of with Selecting Alignment for if you want a Hero or a Villain. Sure, you could separate those when you discuss the archetypes, but the fact that you'll experience different game content depending on Hero/Villain archetypes, in my opinion, merits a section of its own. --GuyPerfect 19:47, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

In the existing manuals, selecting hero or villain is included under "Getting Started". But you're right; it really deserves to be part of the character creation process. --Eabrace 20:30, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

Parser Functions

You may find this helpful: [1] Cheers! -- Sekoia 03:34, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. That eventually got me where I needed to go with the conditional expressions. I'd actually been Googling away trying to find something like that for for some time. Much appreciated. --Eabrace 04:47, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Briefing/Debriefing templates


Hey, just noticed you are doing a great work with the Rikti War zone contacts! Keep up the good work! =)

Just wanted to say, though, that the Briefing/Debrieifng templates are only used when third persons/contacts/whatever talk to you during the mission, just to notice their presence in such mission: For regular briefings or debriefings, it's not necessary, nor it is done. I don't know who did these templates, but I find them useful. =)

Oh, just noticed you are uploading the images of the small portraits needed for the Briefing/Debriefing templates. Well, I don't know where, but I think there's a category somewhere in the Wiki to storage them... I certainly know the already existing ones are somewhere! Just telling to avoid having two different sections for the same purpose. =)

Other than this, congratulate you for your hard work on those contacts! =D

--Yakovlev 05:22, 29 July 2007 (EDT)



I just saw that you added Nemesis to the enemy groups of Levantera. Well, just wanted to say that the Warhulk that mission spawns seems to serve as a boss for the Nemesis automatons group you find in this mission. The automatons lack any Bosses and use Warhulks instead.

I can't say if there were any other Nemesis in the mission: I restarted it a couple times (solo) and never saw a single Nemesis. If you did it with a group and Nemesis spawned, then please add them. If not, well, just wanted you to know that during missions against the Automatons, Warhulks (yep, technically under Nemesis faction) is all they will spawn as bosses. Hence the lack of Nemesis. =)


--Yakovlev 07:02, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Table wikifying

On your personal scratchpad, it says "Note to self: Wikify tables?". If you have any pages with non-wiki-tables that you would like wikified, I can sic SekoiaBot on them if you like. Just let me know. I usually don't have him wikify tables outside the main namespace because I don't want to step on peoples' toes. :) -- Sekoia 10:05, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

Ah. I was referring to the list of characters and associated SGs I have in my personal info. I'm very familiar with raw HTML coding, so when I put those together, I used what I knew. Having since gathered quite a bit of knowledge on how wiki tables work (though I still cringe when I use CSS), I was thinking I might try to convert those tables to wiki format. It'll be an exercise in seeing how proficient my wiki table abilities are and possibly identifying holes. So, if we sic the bot on them, that would probably defeat the purpose. I really do appreciate the offer, though. --Eabrace 10:18, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
Hehe! Gotcha. I had wondered if that might be the case, but thought I'd offer anyway just in case. :) -- Sekoia 10:29, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

Definition lists for headings

I noticed your edits in The Players' Guide to the Cities/Creating a Character to demote the sections from headings. Here's a formatting that I often use in those kind of situations.


; [[Blaster]]
: This is what a blaster is. {{lipsum}}

; [[Defender]]
: This is what a defender is. {{lipsum}}


This is what a blaster is. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
This is what a defender is. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

The ; makes that line a "definition term", granting it automatic bolding. The : makes that line indented and it is considered a "definition definition". The definition stuff is actually a set of html tags. I like how it sets things off, because it's kind of like a "fake section" with a "fake heading". (Ignore the {{lipsum}} template, it just dummies out text so you can see the formatting easier.)

You don't have to use it, but a lot of people don't seem to know about that specific formatting so I thought I'd mention it in case it's something you might like. If you don't... no worries. :) -- Sekoia 14:54, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Interesting and useful. I'll take if for a spin. --Eabrace 14:58, 17 August 2007 (EDT)


Be sure to add those patch notes to the Patch Notes category. :D ∙Salvage NemesisStaff.png Snorii  TalkContribs 17:12, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Oooooh yeah. Guess I sort of got into a rhythm and forgot that. I'll go back in and double-check them all when I finish. --Eabrace 17:15, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Re: Maps

Thanks for positive message. Sorry if I came off in a bad way anyplace, but I've heard very little positive or even neutral comments. Just a lot of complaining and whining... Though I know I shouldn't be surprised Smilies smile.gif. -- StarGeekTalk page 01:22, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Mission Titles

I noticed that you are fixing a lot of mission titles. I just wanted to double check with you where you are getting the title info from. Is it the acceptance line from the bottom of the briefing? - Snorii 18:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes. --Eabrace 19:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for humoring me and fixing all of those. I'm scared to think of how many more are wrong. - Snorii 19:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)