Difference between revisions of "Talk:Power Respecification"

Latest revision as of 21:34, 3 November 2013

Veteran Reward Respecs need to be incorporated into this article. I will add it to the patch watchlist. - Snorii 07:36, 21 November 2006 (PST)

And the Patron respec for villains is not mentioned either. - Sister Leortha 11:10, 21 November 2006 (PST)

Can anyone confirm that no player can accumulate more than three earned respecs at any one time? Corebreach 11:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Earned through the respec trial? Yes. I've done all 3 hero respec trial many, many, many times ever since it first came out. None of my characters have earned more than three of them, total (1 per level grouping). -- StarGeek^{Talk page} 19:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I mean, if you get three from doing Trials, can you cash in a Veteran Respec and have it stack? The answer is not clear from the article the way it's currently written. Corebreach 21:17, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It's been a while, but from what I remember veteran respecs are tracked separately from the "earned" respecs obtained by running the respec trials. Should you already have 3 unclaimed respecs from trials and decide to cash in a veteran reward for a respec, you will now have 4 unclaimed respecs. What I can't say for certain is whether the "freespecs" are tracked separately from vet reward respecs or what would happen if you tried to cash in two vet reward respecs before using the first one. I suspect that freespecs are tracked separately due to their non-stacking nature and vet reward respecs can accumulate in their own little bucket. --Eabrace 21:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... Good question. Let me see... Log in, 4 unclaimed respecs (3 from trial, 1 free). Claim 4 Vet respecs, log out, log back in... Eight unclaimed respecs. --StarGeek 21:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, that answers that question. Thanks, StarGeek.  :) --Eabrace 22:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Thanks! Corebreach 08:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Limit on Holiday respecs

I got caught by this one. I didn't know there was a limit to how many you could get and finally found a post by Zombie Man about it. -- StarGeek^{Talk page} 18:32, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Past Tense

Is there an accepted past tense form of respec? respeced, respec-ed, respecked, respecified, etc... I have seen a few different usages across the Wiki and the forums and wondered if there is anything that we use officially here so I know what to change them to when I see them. —Thirty7 15:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Respecified is what I've seen the devs use a couple times, but most of the time they word their sentences so that they don't have to use it at all. The majority of players seem to use respeced or respec'd that I've seen. ~ AGGE talk/cons 18:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I always say "respuc," but that's probably not going to pass as a coloquialism. (-: --GuyPerfect 19:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't you mean "respac" and then also use the phrase "I have respuc" instead to follow the swim-swam-swum model of English conjugation? —Thirty7 19:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

According to Wiktionary's entry for respec, the past tense is "respecced". I don't know that there's an official past tense for the City usage of the term, though. -- Sekoia 02:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Terminology

Regarding two recent edits, 229541 by Taosin asserting that "Character Respec" is the proper term and 229565 by Agge asserting that it is not... I just rolled a new character and looked at their Account Items. The respec is listed as "Character Respec". I then looked at the Paragon Rewards window and it lists them as "Character Respec" as well (and they are also called that in the Paragon Rewards article). The Thorn Robber Badge and Thorn Thief Badge both use the term "character respec", and Thorn Usurper Badge simply refers to "respec". The Respec Recipe also uses just "respec". So it seems very clear to me that "Character Respec" is a valid term. What is the basis for saying that "Power Respecification" is the "right" term? I'm unable to find it in any in-game or official context. It seems to me that "Respec" is probably the best title for the article since that seems to be the most consistently used term, followed by "Character Respec". -- Sekoia 09:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

"Character Respec" is the item, "Power Respecification" is the phenomena that the page describes. Power Respecification allows you to change your powers, via a Character Respec item. ~ AGGE talk/cons 18:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

From the store: "Purchasing a Respec Token will allow you to Respecify your Primary and Secondary Powers, Power Pool Powers and Enhancement Slot assignments. This does not allow you to change a Primary Power Set from Fire to Ice." The word "Respecify" is conspicuously capitalized there, so I'll agree with Aggelakis that "Respecification" is the process of picking new powers and Enhancement slots, and that "a Respec" or "Respec Token" is the character item you use to do so. --GuyPerfect 19:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

While "Respecify" is clearly the proper official verb form of the word, and while you could certainly then extend that to yield the word "Respecification" for sentences that require it, neither of you have pointed to anything official that uses the term "Power Respecification". (And I suspect "Respecify" actually was used as the verb form of "Respec" anyway, likely without any intention of spawning the word "Respecification".) This page has as much to do with Respecs as it does with Respecifying, and most people are going to search for "Respec". "Respec" is an official term that can easily serve as a page title for the content of this article and it's what most people are going to search for... which makes it a far better title than "Power Respecification", even if you can manage to find some official context that uses the term. So I still recommend we change the article name. -- Sekoia 20:16, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

A quick trip to the trainer reveals the following: "At levels 24, 34, and 44 you can attempt the Tree of Thorns Trial, which is a Task Force for four or more characters of the appropriate levels. Successful completion of the Trial will grant your character the ability to Respec once, and each iteration of the trial (the 24, 34, or 44 one) will only ever give you one Respec."

That is to say, it would seem that "Respec" is both, in a formal context, a verb and a noun. --GuyPerfect 21:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Of course, we could just look up the word "spec" and see that it is a shortening of the word "specification" in noun form and the act of writing a specification in verb form. So in noun form, "respec" and "respecification" are interchangeable. In verb form, to "respec" is to detail a "respecification". For some reason, I'm wanting to say that if I go and look in the old game manual (that still had Fold Space in Gravity Control) I think I'm going to find the word "respecification", but I wouldn't quite put money on that. (Particularly because respecs weren't part of the game at launch.) --Eabrace 00:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

NCsoft use the term Character Respec 'formally' (Character Respec token), and respec generally. Respec is the usual term used casually. Power Respecification seems to be a coined term. Page still wip, nice discussion! Taosin 00:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

As Guy has pointed out to me before, game terms are not general vocabulary terms. They use the term "Respec" as game-specific terminology. Etymologically, it may be derived from "respecificiation". But that is not a good argument for us to not use the official terminology. -- Sekoia 02:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Do I have to go all the way back to the beginning? ;) ~ AGGE talk/cons 01:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hyphens matter. That's an instance of "Power Re-specification", not "Power Respecification". Also, if the only references you can find are from eight years ago... while the current version of the game is widely using "Respec"... I fail to see how that is a compelling argument for keeping the article at its current name. -- Sekoia 02:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I guess I fail to see why this is even a discussion. Make the article "Respec" because that is the most widely used term and also happens to be used officially and make redirects to that page for all the other crazy terms you folks are arguing over. Done. —  Talk · Cont 04:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

That's exactly the resolution I would like to see, and I don't understand why there are people opposed to it. -- 06:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, real life and stuff...anyway, back to this! Nice discussion, and now I can read it all at leisure... i have been making my edits based on 'gold' sources: those all players see in game, as well as the NCsoft knowledgebase articles quoted in game, the main one updated this month. Power Respecification seems to be a term wiki either coined (and it was a good one at the time) or inherited (from old NCsoft stuff). It's no longer seen anywhere in any reference I can find, which is why I deprecated the term in the rewrite 9as it is technically accurate).

I'd like to adopt usage and common sense, and Article ID 8190, as canon, as it is very recent "A respecification (a.k.a. "respec") allows the player to reselect powers, slot placements, and enhancements in those slots for their character. Although you cannot select new primary and secondary sets, you can add or remove power pool sets." And of course the terms in game 'Character Respec Token' and the like. Also respecs are described in terms of tokens (by NCsoft, which does not hold up well atm),

There are very good reason to not use "Power Respecification". Yes it is technically accurate, but it's a coined term where 'power' is redundant, and the respec covers more than just powers. So sticking with the terms NCsoft use when they explain it to players in current articles seems to be the way to go to me. I'd prefer to see this page renamed "Respec" or "Character respec" as well.

Taosin 07:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I will point out that even the help article you point out uses "respecification" as the primary term and then "respec" as the secondary/abbreviation - so my reversion of "Character Respec" was correct. However, I guess I will cede to the majority vote even though I don't agree at all with the majority vote. ~ AGGE talk/cons 08:30, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Mayhap "Respecification" should be the official article name then. Respec is, after all, an abbreviation. —  Talk · Cont 08:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Why should we cling to a few scattered, isolated instances of "respecification" when there are a magnitude of order more instances of "respec"? We've found a single instance of "Re-specification" from the patch notes and a single instance of "Respecification" from the NCsoft knowledgebase. Two instances, both found in places that I dare say most players won't encounter. One is from eight years ago. The other is in a help article that uses that term once, then proceeds to use "respec" twenty-eight times. Neither "Re-specification" nor "Respecification" appears in game, or if they do, their presence is extremely minimal. Instead, throughout most of a player's experience in City, the term they will encounter is "respec" -- in badge texts, in the Paragon Rewards system, in the Paragon Market, in the text encountered by the trainer. The term "respec" itself is enough of a word in the world of gaming that Wiktionary has a definition for it. Etymologically it may have started as an abbreviation, but it has become an actual word. And that is the term this game most commonly uses when dealing with this topic. Yes, there are a few official instances of other terminology, but that is often the case -- many people write these things and consistency hasn't been their strong point. Why pick one of the rarest terms instead of the most common one? So far the best counter-argument given basically amounts to providing evidence that these lesser-used terms might be also correct, but none of it provides any justification for making those other terms the article name. Nobody can dispute that "Respec" is the most commonly used term, both officially and by the community. It's appropriate for the article to mention the terms "respecify" and "respecification" since they are occasionally (rarely) used, but they should not be introduced as the primary terminology. -- Sekoia 09:52, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

(unindenting)

As I said above, would prefer Respec or Character Respec or as the page name, as these are the two terms seen in game: and used pervasively by NCsoft, and players. NCsoft do what is common, the define the term and then proceed to use 'respec' throughout all their stuff.

In about a day, I'll go through the article one last time; as like lots of authors need a break to spot things amiss in something just done. I'll match the tenor of the article (still full of unneeded 'respecifcation' to the presentation within the game and stuff.

Still, the revision is worthwhile and a lot clearer than the old page, isn't it? Taosin 11:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I honestly don't remember what the old page looked like {sheepish} But, I can't imagine that the new one isn't an improvement. A ton of the really old pages are... well... ugly and poorly written. I, however, lack some of the knowledge to fix them properly, and don't see myself beginning such momentous undertaking. Props, Taosin, for doing this, despite the terminology discussion. Sekoia, my point on the term Respecification being used was simply what I stated: respec is an abbreviation of a term. But, then again, we have "Proc" as an article name... so you officially have me on board to make the page just say "Respec." (Not that you really needed my approval. ) —  Talk · Cont 12:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Compare to this, it's quite a nice overhaul. As for respec, as I was saying above, it's not really an abbreviation any more. It has become a word in its own right. Such is the nature of of a living language. However the point is a bit moot to the issue at hand since we're still agreeing, lol. -- Sekoia 19:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)