Talk:Experience/Archive 1

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If you stop getting xp at the max limit, meaning if you have 5xp left to level, and you kill something worth 6xp, you are awarded only 5xp regardless... then level 40 takes a cumulative xp of 8,401,519. I don't want to put this into the table yet because I wasn't sure if it worked that way. Martavius 15:06, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

Level 46

It doesn't fit with the rest of the chart, but I'm looking at what is needed for me to hit level 46. I currently have 22,318,463 and need 63,656 to hit level 46. - Snorii 20:13, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Not sure where those other numbers came from, but yours add up. Found an xp table! -- Taxibot Yellow 01:46, 23 July 2006 (PDT)

Minor discrepancies

Interestingly (for some...) at level 11 and 39, the XP rewards for Minions and Lieutenants seem to be swapped. Can we confirm if these points are valid? It may have been a simple data-entry problem?

Of course, AVs are by far the best kills/level gained (only ever requiring a maximum of 37.4 even after level 39) whereas the closer to level 50 you are, the less beneficial defeating GMs becomes, closely approaching the same required number of missions after level 39 (plateaus at 167 complete missions for a whole level at level 39) rising fairly smoothly from 65 GMs at level 39 to 150 at level 49.

Gah! Looked at the wrong trend line on my graph! Missions, not bosses (you need 689 bosses at level 39+ - ouch!) -- Kalon 20:49, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Old table Archive

These are the base experience reward values for each rank and level of critter, as well as missions. Some of the more difficult critters have a bonus modifier that increases the amount of XP rewarded.

Level	Underling	Minion	Lieut.	Boss	AV/Hero	GM	Mission
1	0	10	22	44	1074	5	10
2	0	10	22	44	1074	8	25
3	0	10	22	44	1074	15	25
4	0	10	22	44	1074	21	33
5	0	11	24	48	1170	67	50
6	0	12	26	52	1292	116	50
7	0	13	28	56	1388	160	75
8	0	14	30	60	1504	247	81
9	1	15	33	66	1600	315	112
10	1	16	35	70	1722	390	100
11	1	17	37	74	1818	535	130
12	1	18	39	78	1936	625	140
13	1	20	44	88	2154	720	171
14	1	22	48	96	2366	1000	250
15	1	24	52	104	2584	1281	375
16	2	26	57	114	2798	1480	500
17	2	29	63	126	3132	1818	625
18	2	32	70	140	3446	2236	750
19	2	36	79	158	3878	2600	875
20	3	40	88	176	4308	3190	1000
21	3	45	99	198	4856	3840	1125
22	4	52	114	228	5410	4680	1250
23	5	60	132	264	6054	5600	1400
24	6	69	151	302	6798	7200	1575
25	7	80	176	352	7660	9000	1775
26	8	92	202	404	8638	10000	2000
27	10	106	233	466	9718	11000	2250
28	11	122	268	536	10916	12000	2525
29	13	141	310	620	12208	13000	2825
30	14	162	356	712	13740	14000	3175
31	16	185	407	814	15464	15000	3575
32	19	211	464	928	17400	16000	4025
33	20	240	528	1056	19582	17000	4525
34	23	272	598	1196	22072	18000	5100
35	26	307	675	1350	24870	19000	5750
36	31	346	761	1522	28008	20000	6475
37	34	390	858	1716	31574	21000	7300
38	38	439	965	1930	35596	22000	8225
39	44	495	1089	2178	40122	23000	9275
40	49	558	1227	2454	45220	24000	10450
41	52	629	1383	2766	50944	25000	11775
42	58	709	1559	3118	57456	26000	13275
43	62	799	1757	3514	64684	27000	14950
44	65	901	1982	3964	72920	28000	16850
45	71	1016	2235	4470	82230	29000	19000
46	76	1146	2521	5042	92716	30000	21425
47	79	1292	2842	5684	104522	31000	24150
48	85	1457	3205	6410	117832	32000	27225
49	89	1643	3614	7228	132866	33000	30700
50	92	1853	4076	8152	149864	34000	34625
51	92	2090	4598	9196	169016	35000	34626
52	92	2357	5185	10370	190534	36000	34627
53	92	2658	5847	11694	214884	37000	34628
54	92	2998	6595	13190	242368	38000	34629
55	92	3381	7438	14876	242368	39000	34630

Archiving the current table in easy to read format. The new data I have doesn't have AV GM etc. Catwhoorg 21:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

XP per level

This is wrong. I did tests (level 35 character, level 33-38 in bricks on Medics, and 35+39-41 in the RWZ on Rikti infantry and guardians.)

My numbers are:

Critter's Relative Level	XP Multiplier
-2	0.44
-1	0.55
0	1
+1	1.35
+2	1.78
+3	2.53
+4 or higher	3.2

Here's the old table:

Critter's Relative Level	XP Multiplier
-5 or lower	0
-4	0.2
-3	0.4
-2	0.6
-1	0.8
0	1
+1	1.2
+2	1.4
+3	1.65
+4	1.9
+5 or higher	2

I will not put these changes into the real thing until someone checks them. Fulmens 16:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Update- still under discussion on forums. Argument is that my percentages are "of the XP for a level 35 opponent" rather than being "of the XP for the appropriate level enemy"- so a 39 (+4 to me) would be the XP for a 39, times 1.9.

With a L35 character, I got the same XP for a level 39, 40 and 41 enemy; 1694. That looks like 2.13 times the level 39 enemy's XP.

Fulmens 04:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Historical

This came up on the forums, someone ran a few tests that demonstrated that the information here is clearly not the case. I've tagged it as historical since I can't think of anything better to tag it with. CmdrAdeon 05:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I removed the historical tag. Instead, we should work toward making the information correct. AGGE talk/cons 07:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Which parts need to be updated? --Eabrace 14:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Primarily the parts on distribution on teams I think. In a forum discussion someone ran a few quick tests in the AE which pretty clearly demonstrate that those rules are wrong. I think that the single player XP values are correct since I was doing some solo play last night and the values I was getting for even level enemies seemed to match. CmdrAdeon 16:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. That may actually be a bug. The tweak the devs made to the system some time ago (I'd have to mine the patch notes to see when) was supposed to set a hard limit on the XP at the value for +5. Doesn't look like the system is currently working as intended based on the numbers in that thread. --Eabrace 20:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Playing with the numbers:

Assuming a three-member team of 50, 50, and 43 (auto sk'ed to 45) fighting against 52s.

Actual Level	Combat Level	Weight	Min XP	Lt XP	Boss XP	Lvl Mod	Team Mod	Min Mod XP	Lt Mod XP	Boss Mod XP
43	45	0.68	1198	2795	8386	2	1.5	848.583	1979.791	5940.083
50	50	1.1	2866	5732	17196	1.4	1.5	2298.770	4597.541	13792.625
50	50	1.1	2866	5732	17196	1.4	1.5	2298.770	4597.541	13792.625
	AVG 48	TOT 2.88

All based on the info in this article, of course.

What's unclear to me in the linked post is 1) which of the characters was the data collected from (the 43 or one of the 50s?) and 2) what the XP in the data was for (minion, lt., boss, AV, mission completion?) If the XP numbers in the post are for the 43, those numbers are WAY more than what you should get even for a boss kill, so I might assume that they were for a mission completion. And if we're talking about mission completion bonuses, the data currently in the article doesn't apply because we don't have the mission bonus XP in the table at the moment. --Eabrace 21:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I sent Smurphy a PM asking what parameters he used but for what it's worth a few weeks ago I was leveling my Defender in an 52 AE boss farm and as a level 47-49 was seeing 10K+ XP per kill despite being SK'd to 50 and on full or almost full teams. CmdrAdeon 21:51, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, to answer unknown #1, it occurred to me about five minutes ago that since the messages were XP/Inf, it would have to be the 43 since 50s would only see messages about either all Influence or Debt repaid. Duh. :) --Eabrace 22:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've run some quick spot checks with a solo level 29 and here's what I've found so far:

Source Level	Source	Mission	Rank	XP	Inf
29	Council mob	Newspaper	Minion	253	59
29	Council mob	Newspaper	Lieutenant	844	338
29	Mission Complete	N/A	2825	1413
29	Custom AE mob	AE	Minion	169	59
29	Custom AE mob	AE	Lieutenant	563	338
29	Mission Complete	AE	N/A	0	0
30	Council/Rikti mob	Newspaper	Minion	379	89
30	Council/Rikti mob	Newspaper	Lieutenant	1261	505
30	Mission Complete	Newspaper	N/A	3811	1906
30	Custom AE mob	AE	Minion	253	89
31	Rikti mob	Minion	Newspaper	504	118
31	Rikti mob	Lieutenant	Newspaper	1680	672

Observations:

1. According to the base XP table, an even level minion should be worth 169 XP solo in a normal mission. In reality, they're ringing in at 253 XP. This is a boost by a multiple of approximately 1.497.
2. According to the base XP table, an even level lieutenant should be worth 563 XP solo in a normal mission. In reality, they're ringing in at 844 XP. This is a boost by a multiple of approximately 1.499.
3. Even level AE minion XP matches the value listed in the base XP table.
4. Even level AE lieutenant XP matches the value listed in the base XP table.
5. According to the bonus tables, a +1 mob should be worth 1.2 times the XP of an even level mob when solo in a normal mission. In reality, they are ringing in between approximately 1.494 and 1.498 times the base XP of an even level mob.
6. According to the bonus tables, a +2 mob should be worth 1.4 times the XP of an even level mob when solo in a normal mission. In reality, they are ringing in between approximately 1.991 and 1.992 times the base XP of an even level mob.

Conclusions so far:

1. Base XP numbers may be correct for AE missions.
2. Base XP numbers are definitely not correct for normal missions. They are higher than currently recorded.
3. Base XP in AE missions is less than base XP in normal missions.
4. Bonus modifiers for relative spawn levels are definitely not correct. They are higher than currently recorded.

Guessing:

1. Bonus modifier for relative spawn level of +1 is probably supposed to be ~1.5.
2. Bonus modifier for relative spawn level of +2 is probably supposed to be ~2.0.

Interesting data. The tricky thing to check is going to be the grouping bonuses, I'm not sure how best to test those. I heard back from Smurphy, he confirmed the data was from level 52AE bosses. CmdrAdeon 16:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, in order to test the grouping bonuses, we'll need to start with a mission that can be reset. (I usually try setting the mission on heroic/villainous to prevent notoriety settings from throwing off any calculations, but in this case it shouldn't matter as long as the setting stays the same throughout testing.)

First, we'll need to establish a baseline for mob XP. The mission owner will need to enter solo and defeat a few mobs, noting the relative level (should be even or +1 if on heroic/villainous), rank, and XP rewarded for each mob.

After defeating a few mobs, the character will need to exit and reset the mission. We then need to add another character of the same level to the team. Making the second team member the same level as the first gives us a team bonus without changing the average level of the team and bringing the weight factors into the equation. We can now enter and defeat a mob to compare the XP earned while teamed with the XP earned solo. This will give us the teaming bonus for a team of two.

team bonus = XP teamed / XP base

Adding more characters of the same level will give us the teaming bonuses for three, four, five, six, seven, or eight.

Testing weights will definitely be a little more complicated. I thought I had a good method in mind, but as I was laying it out, it seemed more complicated than it did in my head, so I'll have to re-think that. --Eabrace 14:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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