User talk:Blondeshell

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Day Job Badge Moves

Just wondering if you were still planning on moving the rest of the Day Job badge articles. The {{DayJobBadge}} used in all of the links to each of the badges is a bit borked with half of the badges using "X Day Job Badge" and the other half using "X Badge" at the moment. --Eabrace 08:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I do plan to finish them, but I ran across the Intern badge that had already been redirected from "Intern Badge" to "Intern Day Job Badge." I was stumped about how to get around the redirect to make it go back to the original page, so I stopped working on it for the night. Any suggestions for how to get rid of the original redirect? I'm still a newb. :-) --Blondeshell 20:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Gotcha. Well, there are two ways that can be done.

1. Copy the content from Intern Day Job Badge to Intern Badge and change the Intern Day Job Badge to a redirect. (You can get back to the redirecting page by clicking the link where it says "Redirected from <pagename>" at the top.)
2. Ask for an admin to delete the Intern Badge article so you can then move the Intern Day Job Badge to that location. Any time you have something you'd like to suggest for deletion, you can tag it with the {{delete}} template.

I'll go ahead and take care of the Intern Badge for you since I'm already looking at it.  :) --Eabrace 20:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The last thing I have to do for the Day Job Badges is updated the main page for them that lists all the day jobs and accolades. However, I'm not clear on how to modify the DayJobBadge template to where it doesn't automatically put in the "Day Job" phrase. It'd be easier to just update that template instead of changing each entry by hand to say [[Intern Badge|Intern]], but I don't know enough to comfortably do it without messing it up.--Blondeshell 03:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. -- Agge (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Caitlin Murray Deletion Request

Just checking: Were you requesting deletion of the page because it left a redirect behind when you moved it? In this particular case it may not be a bad idea to leave the redirect in place. I just wanted to check before taking the delete request off the redirect. --Eabrace 00:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Thinking back on it now, I'd agree that it'd be okay to leave the redirect alone. There'd probably be some people who weren't aware of the change and would still be referencing the old name. --Blondeshell 02:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

OK. I went ahead and removed the delete tag. --Eabrace 05:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Kings Row Contacts

Thanks for updating the coordinates and neighborhoods for Linda Summers and Paula Dempsey. I kept meaning to check on that after hearing that they were moved. - Snorii 22:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Ashley McKnight

She doesn't introduce Golden Roller or Marshal Brass; she sends you to talk to those, as wella s Peter, the Dr and Virgil for the history missions

Actually, she does. I just did the Origin of Power arc and she offered both contacts to me separate from the missions. --Blondeshell 06:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Highly unlikely/usual. I've done every contact, to completion, up to Lvl. 30 - including her - on my VEAT and on a Lvl. 50 MM. Both times, Dmitri and Dr. Whatsherface introduced Brass & Roller. Did you complete dmitri and drshelly?

The character that she offered those contacts to was level 19 and had not been previously introduced to Dmitri Krylov or Dr. Shelly Percey. Here is the list of contacts that character has received and the current level of acquaintance:

Kalinda: Kindred (complete)

Mongoose: Kindred (complete)

Angelo Vendetti: Kindred (complete)

The Radio: Kindred (complete)

Seer Marino: Crony (on first mission)

Ashley McKnight: Kindred (complete until level 30)

Willy Wheeler: Associate (just been introduced)

Golden Roller: Associate (just been introduced)

I don't remember who gave me The Radio and Willy wheeler, but it definitely wasn't Mr. Bocor or Peter Themari since I was never introduced to them.--Blondeshell 13:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Radio, I think >might< be intro'ed by Angelo/Billy as well at Lvl 10, though I don't think so 'cause I remember a char of mine not completing Bocor by leveling to 10 too fast and not getting the radio; Willy... hmm.. Couldn't tell you.

Just to add to the original discussion, I'm currently running through Ashley's Origin of Power arc and she just offered to introduce me to Golden Roller and Willy Wheeler. --Eabrace 22:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks from user:MacAllister It was formatted correctly in firefox but was having issue with Internet Explorer when i gave up.

Ack!

^^;; wow, you really startled me with your edits to my little project page. I thought I was way to sleep deprived there for a minute. o,o not that I'm complaining about the info, just wasn't expecting it to suddenly be there. (that and the double edit on the council one was there then wasn't.. thought firefox was going nuts) --Sleepykitty 03:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Hazard Zones

I've left it in place to avoid starting a revision war but I really don't think that the Hazard Zone article should have an I16 tag since the page represents the state of Hazard Zones as they are in game at the moment. A "this will change in I16" tag would be more appropriate. CmdrAdeon 22:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I moved the flag and added a tiny blurb on why the flag is there. There is only one Issue flag in use to keep things contained more centrally. AGGE talk/cons 05:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

That works well, thanks. CmdrAdeon 06:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Good Catch

Good catch on that spam reversion. I usually check new user contributions before leaving them a welcome note, but my brain was fried after work yesterday and I missed that little detail. Thanks. --Eabrace 20:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I17 Badge Images

Thanks for uploading those. I'm having a hard time going through the new images and figuring out what not to upload.  :) --Eabrace 00:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I'll also be adding Ultra Mode versions of the pics for exploration badges and history plaques. It's taking a while to get all of them, though, because I'm trying to match up the positioning of the previous pics and not make the shadows cause problems. --Blondeshell 00:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Settitle

I notice you created Settitle (Slash Command)/listing. You might want to review the discussion at Talk:Settitle (Slash Command), since the last time it was poked for possible updating (over a year ago) we decided to just not update it and instead we linked to the websites that already maintain these lists better than the wiki does (the outdated talk page at that same location was meant to be illustrative, not an actual article; I've replaced it with a redirect to avoid confusion on that). The problem with this list is that it is regularly outdated, and unlike most things that get outdated on a regular basis, once this particular information is outdated it more or less becomes completely useless since most of the numbers change. If you'd like to see it included in the wiki, I recommend prodding that discussion and seeking for a consensus that it even should be included before you do too much more work on it. -- Sekoia 11:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

CCG Cards

Any reason why the last three cards you uploaded directly into the deletion category? ~ AGGE talk/cons 00:03, 1 June 2010 (UTC) --- Also, let me know when you're ready for me to delete the CCG card articles, wasn't sure if you needed them for reference so I hadn't deleted them yet. ~ AGGE talk/cons

Those cards are just for referencing the forum post I made here. Once we're done with the discussion, they can be deleted. The other CCG content that's tagged for deletion can go ahead and be removed now. -- Blondeshell 01:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Thermal Radiation Tables

I know they look very similar, but note the difference in the names of the level 2 power Corruptors and Masterminds get the name of the level 2 power Controllers get. Veeery easy little detail to miss since the powers are essentially the same, but one is "Fire Sheild" while the other is "Thermal Sheild". --Eabrace 05:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, so they are. Sneaky little power names. -- Blondeshell 05:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Nonexistent Badges

Hold up a sec with those badge articles you're making.

You're even re-adding some articles that existed once before and were deleted because they weren't applicable (Aspect of Yin, for example). Some of the information is incorrect as well (Recluse's Right Hand was spotted on a dev in Pocket D not long ago, so it very much does exist). But really, there's an inherent problem with writing articles that state "This doesn't exist and there is no such thing" like you're doing.

It'd be no different for me to start an article on the Chuck Norris badge, or the Texas Ranger archetype, or the Beard Mastery powerset, because each equally doesn't exist. Site sources at the very least if something does merit an article, but for now the articles are just trash (some of which has been taken out and came back).

--GuyPerfect 17:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I realize that, on the surface, this seems like I'd be opening up a huge can of worms, but my intent here was to limit my work to articles on badges that were much further along in the development process than the rest. This extends only to those that had specific artwork created and were abandoned before being included in the game, and not ones like the second Task Force Commander or Beta Tester entries. I'm not going to go hog wild and make entries for everything that's undefined on the settitle list. (Really? Costume unlock tokens and character introductions?)

And, to be honest, there's already a precedent set for non-existant badge articles, such as Super Patriot Badge, Iron Man Badge and April's Fool Badge -- all of which were added by yourself.

--Blondeshell 23:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Super Patriot and Iron Man were created because there are powers in the game that were going to be tied to them. April's Fool is literally a joke badge that has been used by the devs as a sort of running gag. You'll notice that all three of these articles have some substance other than "this is only a pipe dream."

Like I mentioned before, many not-a-real-badge articles were deleted after Issue 18's release because there were never such badges to begin with. Maybe if a dev mentions such-n-such a badge or some kind of source is available to be cited, it'd be fine to add them back, but as it is they're reappearing and there still are no such badges. I don't want to try to assert authority, but what you're doing is inappropriate.

--GuyPerfect 00:20, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I guess I don't see how the fact that there were powers that were defined in the system but never implemented are any more valid to have articles than badges defined in the system but never implemented (I'm thinking of Issue 6 badges). They're both subject to a certain amount of supposition (un-cited sources) and neither are able to actually be earned by anyone in the game.

I think the badge articles I added make for an interesting historical context that's not completely fabricated, especially when there's artwork created that would otherwise be unlinked and unviewable without digging through category listings.

--Blondeshell 02:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

The wholly objective compromise, then, is to remove the articles on grounds of "they don't exist." This applies to Super Patriot and Iron Man along with all the non-badges you've recently added... except for Recluse's Right Hand, which someone snagged a picture of on a dev in Pocket D recently. --GuyPerfect 18:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Except for April's Fool (because it is well-known throughout the badging community and has been acknowledged by rednames more than once) and maybe Recluse's Right Hand (for the previously stated reason), I don't think anything that is available only through diving in the piggs should be documented in the wiki. This goes along with previous precedent not to add or update articles until it's available in an open beta. These badges/powers/whatever are not visible on any server. ~ AGGE talk/cons 20:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, let's do that, then: No actual articles for things that aren't visible or attainable in the game. That being said, I do think it's interesting to include sections on each issue's badge page that shows badges that would have been added but remained inactive, with the sole provision that there is artwork to back them up. This was already previously included on the Issue 4 and Issue 6 badge pages without any outcry. I'd argue against Recluse's Right Hand, though, as it's still not attainable in-game. -- Blondeshell 02:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)