Difference between revisions of "Talk:Super Booster II: Magic"

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Preview images

I personally don't think we should show these since they are pulled from the game files instead of a legitimate leak. I have hidden them currently. Yea/nay, should we show these "illegal" images? -- Aggelakis 06:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Selfish nay. Baalus Seth 08:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

If you use the way NPC dialogue can be hidden, and add a spoiler tag, would that suffice? Sera404 11:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll not revert you at this point, but I firmly disagree. I'll continue the discussion on the forum, as this is really a more general issue, and deserves a more general, and wider, discussion. - Sister Leortha 16:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Pulling data out of the game's files is against the EULA. Featuring such data on this site is not in its best interest. Corebreach 23:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Sadly he's right "While anything that leaks out as this costume piece has is fair game, please remember that decompiling the game files and looking through what you find by doing so is not allowed under the EULA." http://uk.boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=GenDiscussUK&Number=1306660&bodyprev=#Post1306660 - Dustified 07:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it reasonable to assume forum moderators are qualified to give legal advice? Is it reasonable to assume they've read the EULA in its entirety and aren't just cherry picking? Is it reasonable to assume the section of the EULA that explicitly permits noncommercial use of game content is overriden by the section of the EULA prohibiting "decompilation" and preserving "decompilation rights" (which is not a legal term, does not appear in any copyright statute, and is undefined by the EULA) and not the other way around? Is it reasonable to assume a EULA prohibition against "decompilation" is legal, enforceable in court, and trumps a fair use defense (which is a legal term, defined by copyright statute)?

My opinion is that every one of these assumptions is fatally flawed. A forum mod is not a lawyer, much less your lawyer. The EULA is self-contradictory on the subject. There is no such thing as "decompilation rights." Reading files on your own computer and noncommercial use of the data is a clear cut case of fair use. Noncommercial use of game data someone else read doesn't even need to be fair use; it's licensed under the EULA. The images should be restored. Rigel Kent 21:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

If this is difficult to understand, please let me know. It's a complex topic. I can try to simplify it, but no promises. Rigel Kent 13:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

That's an interesting argument, but this is, as you say, your opinion. Given that you're not my (or anyone else here's) lawyer either, your opinion on the matter doesn't really hold any more weight than that of a forum moderator. Sure, the EULA might not hold up in court - but who's going to take this to court and test it? Is this really a fight that Paragonwiki wants to take up as a point of principle? Is the publishing of these images against the wishes of NCSoft worth the loss of goodwill that will result? It seems to me that this is better looked at as a practical question than a legal one. Redoubt 14:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)