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about differences between games...

o.o gaa, there's alot on here, I went through and skimmed most of the chat to make sure no one mentioned it.. (and I'm fairly sure no one has..)

Anyway, CoT mobs between CoH and CoV are different in respect that the CoV has a number of types that CoH doesn't have (yet (hopefully)). It might be just me... but shouldn't the CoV only ones be marked as such? if for no other reason that to avoid new readers who go into a cot mission in the hollows and expect to get to see hoardlings or sucubii or something.. this only really effects CoT as far as I know.. family has a new subgroup in the Mooks.. and the council didn't get anything right? --Sleepy Kitty 11:08, 7 July 2006 (PDT)

No worries, it was mostly discussion about formatting, dating from before we had the discussion board. I've gone ahead and archived it.

As for marking CoH/CoV only? Might be tough, because you'd have to do it both ways, and that would be a lot of work. No real opinion as of yet, still thinking it over. --StarGeek 20:00, 7 July 2006 (PDT)

<.< there are no CoH only CoT... so you only have to mark the CoV only. Or perhapse a small mention in the info or overview about which ones only appear on cov side.. --Sleepy Kitty 01:03, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

Oh, it doesen't happen to the CoT only. Crey Public Relations are exclusive of CoV so far. So are the Wailers, or the Consortium Guards, or many others...

I knew this would be an issue sooner or later... Well, no worries, I have tought about this as well. My idea is to add the portrait of the mob just at his title, with *blue* background for the ones you find in CoH, and *red* background for the ones you find only in CoV. Both colors if the mob can be found in both games.

To avoid further confussion, the portarits of those mobs you can find *only* in missions will be half-sized.

It's a simple and easy to implement system that should give the reader a idea of what he can find and where.

So the next logic question is: "Why hasn't that been done yet?" The answer is simple. Think of the work involved: you have to track every single mob, every single mission (some like the Lead Outcasts are present in a very limited number of missions in CoV...perhaps only in one) Besides, I have still a ton of info to enter to the site, the day has only 24 hours, and I can only be typing a certain ammount of hours at a day before my head starts spinning... =P

--Yakovlev 03:22, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

^^;; needent go that far. it is a good idea, but for the most part, every faction in coh that is also in cov has all the same ppl spawn in it. Spawns that are cov only aren't linked to the coh side right? its only those couple of oddball cases where there are extra mobs of that faction for coV but none for coH. o.o Am I correct in assuming this is a purly coV thing and there aren't ppl that only spawn in coh for factions in both? I wasn't aware of the Crey one as well.. but thats only to factions where this is the case? the portraits idea sounds good, and probably would look good as well... but it would be a time killer, and most mobs don't have pics up to add the frames to..

I'm not asking that anyone go crazzy with big alterations to the layout, organization or anything like that. ^^ I just though a quick NOTE: this minion/lueit/boss/Monster is only found in CoV instances of this faction, or something similar, would be good to have on the rare nail sticking out. --Sleepy Kitty 09:07, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

Enemy Order

Should the enemies be ordered by name ( Energy > Force > Life > Soul ) or by level ( Life > Energy > Force > Soul )? I find the second way more intuitive to a player... - Baalus Seth

I'm a fan of alphabetical in all situations. It's the most intuitive you can get. While it may be obvious to you, who's played the game a while, unless you do something to make it obvious that it's by level, it's not very intuitive to someone brand new to the game. -- StarGeek^{Talk page} 11:05, 15 October 2006 (PDT)

In fact I am - I'm doing my research slowly, affixing level ranges to mobs :) - Baalus Seth 12:03, 15 October 2006 (PDT)

Posessed Scientists?

Do they appear anywhere other than in instanced missions? - Baalus Seth 08:05, 27 September 2006 (PDT)

I believe I saw some on Thorn Isle in the Nerva Archipelago. --Kung-Fu Jesus 08:17, 27 September 2006 (PDT)

They appear all around the Portal Corp. compound. Actually, in CoH, I don't recall them ever appearing in a mission. -- StarGeek^{Talk page} 11:52, 27 September 2006 (PDT)

Both Kung Fu and Geek here are right: In City of Heroes Possessed Scientists are present near Portal Corp in such number that it's impossible to ignore them. In City of Villains they seem to be much rarer, and I have seen them only in Thorn Isle so far. I have nerver found them so far in any missions, at least yet (level 30). --Yakovlev 00:11, 28 September 2006 (PDT)

Level Notes

division between Behemoth Masters and Overlords seems to be 34 | 35. Need somebody to double-check. - Skarmory The PG 06:43, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
Just now confirmed as 35|36 - Skarmory The PG 06:49, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
35|36 Agony|Death - Skarmory The PG 10:39, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

Archus' and Caleb's Powers

Thought it was about time they were added.

SuperDuperTony 18:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Faction Member Powers and Statistics

'Agony Mages have a 10% resistance to to-hit debuffs. I believe that this should be added to the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkonae (talk • contribs) 06:07, 6 September 2010

Casters formatting

Tell me, which looks better:

Powers

Ice Blast Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold/Smash), Foe -Recharge, -Speed
Ice Blast hurls shards of ice at foes and Slows their attacks and movement for a time. Slower recharge than Ice Bolt, but more damage. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate.

Chilblain Ranged, Low Cold Damage, Foe Immobilize
Immobilize your target in an icy trap. Deals some damage over time and slightly slows the target movement and attack speed.

Ice Sword Melee, Moderate Damage(Cold/Lethal), Foe -Recharge, -Speed
You create a blade of solid ice that deals good damage. Being hit by this Ice Sword will Slow a target's movement and attack speed, due to the intense chill. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate.

Frozen Armor Self, +Resistance (24% Smash, 24% Lethal, 8% Fire, 16% Cold, 16% Toxic)
While this power is active, you coat yourself in rock hard Frozen Armor. The hardness of the Frozen Armor offers good defense to Smashing and Lethal attack as well as reduces Cold damage. Also, Fire attacks deal slightly less damage. Recharge: Very Fast.

One or none of the following:

Bitter Ice Blast Ranged, Superior Damage (Cold/Smash), Foe -Recharge, -Speed, -Accuracy
A slower yet more powerful version of Ice Blast, Bitter Ice Blast deals much more damage and can also reduce your enemy's Accuracy. Like other Ice Blast powers, Bitter Ice Blast can Slow a target's movement and attack speed. Damage: Superior, Recharge: Slow.

Block of Ice Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold) Foe: Hold -Speed -Recharge
You can freeze a single foe in a Block of Ice. The target is frozen solid, helpless, and can be attacked. More powerful foes may not be held, but all affected targets will be slowed and take some cold damage.

oooooor

Powers

Ice Blast Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold/Smash), Foe -Recharge, -Speed
Ice Blast hurls shards of ice at foes and Slows their attacks and movement for a time. Slower recharge than Ice Bolt, but more damage. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate.

Chilblain Ranged, Low Cold Damage, Foe Immobilize
Immobilize your target in an icy trap. Deals some damage over time and slightly slows the target movement and attack speed.

Ice Sword Melee, Moderate Damage(Cold/Lethal), Foe -Recharge, -Speed
You create a blade of solid ice that deals good damage. Being hit by this Ice Sword will Slow a target's movement and attack speed, due to the intense chill. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate.

Frozen Armor Self, +Resistance (24% Smash, 24% Lethal, 8% Fire, 16% Cold, 16% Toxic)
While this power is active, you coat yourself in rock hard Frozen Armor. The hardness of the Frozen Armor offers good defense to Smashing and Lethal attack as well as reduces Cold damage. Also, Fire attacks deal slightly less damage. Recharge: Very Fast.

Plus

Bitter Ice Blast Ranged, Superior Damage (Cold/Smash), Foe -Recharge, -Speed, -Accuracy
A slower yet more powerful version of Ice Blast, Bitter Ice Blast deals much more damage and can also reduce your enemy's Accuracy. Like other Ice Blast powers, Bitter Ice Blast can Slow a target's movement and attack speed. Damage: Superior, Recharge: Slow.

Or

Block of Ice Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold) Foe: Hold -Speed -Recharge
You can freeze a single foe in a Block of Ice. The target is frozen solid, helpless, and can be attacked. More powerful foes may not be held, but all affected targets will be slowed and take some cold damage.

Or

No additional powers No additional powers
This Ice Thorn Caster doesn't have any additional powers.

--Baalus Seth 13:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Updated Human Art

This page could use updated screenshots to reflect the recent art changes of Human members. I'll try to contribute, but I'm not very good at image editing. --Variatas 19:28, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, should a Historical section be added to reflect when the change occurred? --Thirty7 21:01, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I added a good deal of images to update the ones here to their new looks... there are still a few yet to be added, including folks like Baron Zoria. --Thirty7 23:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Historical section at the bottom and a gallery of old NPCs should suffice, I think. :3 Sera404 23:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, all of the human Mages (excluding Libri Vermis who is not in the AE for some reason) are now changed over... critique my images all you like. :) --Thirty7 00:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Woot, just snagged a shot of the new Libri Vermis and put him in there as well! Personally, I like the old one better. :( --Thirty7 03:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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-== Relative major editing overhaul ==
+{{Archive box|[[/Archived July 7, 2006]]}}
-Hey guys, don't take the edits personally, you added ''fantastic'' information that is priceless.  I did want to standardize the format, though.  For example, some of the powers were bulleted, some where indented, and some didn't have any kind of formatting applied (I prefer no formatting, using the icon itself as the bullet).  Also, I removed all of the sigs (this is recorded in the article's history) and notes (those belong here, not in the article itself).  I also spelled out all effects (I prefer "Damage over Time" to "DoT" since non-RPG'ers may be reading the articles) and corrected some grammatical, spelling, and capitalization errors.
+== about differences between games... ==
-I still plan to tweak the article some, and at some point, I'll add some images of the enemies themselves.  Maybe this article will eventually serve as the template to use as all villain group articles.
+o.o gaa, there's alot on here, I went through and skimmed most of the chat to make sure no one mentioned it.. (and I'm fairly sure no one has..)
--- [[User:TonyV|TonyV]] 09:24, 25 Jan 2006 (CST)
+Anyway, CoT mobs between CoH and CoV are different in respect that the CoV has a number of types that CoH doesn't have (yet (hopefully)). It might be just me... but shouldn't the CoV only ones be marked as such? if for no other reason that to avoid new readers who go into a cot mission in the hollows and expect to get to see hoardlings or sucubii or something.. this only really effects CoT as far as I know.. family has a new subgroup in the Mooks.. and the council didn't get anything right? --[[User:Sleepykitty|Sleepy Kitty]] 11:08, 7 July 2006 (PDT)
-== Editing ==
+: No worries, it was mostly discussion about formatting, dating from before we had the discussion board.  I've gone ahead and archived it.
+: As for marking CoH/CoV only?  Might be tough, because you'd have to do it both ways, and that would be a lot of work.  No real opinion as of yet, still thinking it over.  --[[User:StarGeek|StarGeek]] 20:00, 7 July 2006 (PDT)
+:: <.< there are no CoH only CoT... so you only have to mark the CoV only. Or perhapse a small mention in the info or overview about which ones only appear on cov side.. --[[User:Sleepykitty|Sleepy Kitty]] 01:03, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
-Hi there!
-Wow, I think that´s adressed to me!
+::: Oh, it doesen't happen to the CoT only. Crey Public Relations are exclusive of CoV so far. So are the Wailers, or the Consortium Guards, or many others...
-I´ll try to explain myself:
+:::I knew this would be an issue sooner or later... Well, no worries, I have tought about this as well. My idea is to add the portrait of the mob just at his title, with *blue* background for the ones you find in CoH, and *red* background for the ones you find only in CoV. Both colors if the mob can be found in both games.
--Gramatical errors:
+:::To avoid further confussion, the portarits of those mobs you can find *only* in missions will be half-sized.
-Well, I have been copying literally mob info and attacks, including MMO slang (DoT, AoE and such)...didn´t stop to think someone could not understand it, you are right. I can put the whole words instead of acronyms, it´s no problem =)
-Kept the gramatical errors in the hope that we could make a list someday with all of them and send it to the devs, rather than report the errors one by one... It´s more likely than they will adress the issue that way, IMHO =)
-Anyways don´t worry...between those errors already in game text and the new ones I have made now in the section while copying, I´m sure mostly everything has errors now. Being a non-English speaker doesen´t help much, either...=P
--Added signature:
+:::It's a simple and easy to implement system that should give the reader a idea of what he can find and where.
-I know how things are in the Net. Sooner or later, someone comes and flames the site saying mob A can´t have this or that attack, mob B can´t be like that...etc, etc, etc... Well: this way they have the responsible for the comments just there (that´s me). I´ll be very pleased to prove what I have said here is true, as I keep screenshots of everything =). That way, problem solved.
--Images and graphics:
+:::So the next logic question is: "Why hasn't that been done yet?" The answer is simple. Think of the work involved: you have to track every single mob, every single mission (some like the Lead Outcasts are present in a very limited number of missions in CoV...perhaps only in one) Besides, I have still a ton of info to enter to the site, the day has only 24 hours, and I can only be typing a certain ammount of hours at a day before my head starts spinning... =P
-Let´s not fool ourselves: when it comes to computers I´m still in the Stone Age. I wouldn´t be able to program a computer even if my life would depend of it. Sad but true =/.
-That means that I do the things the simplest way I can...the one I understand, thats is =). I don`t know if I have done things right here...All I can say in my defense is that all seemed to work... Anyways I´ll be pleased if someone checks the info I provide and makes sure images are linked correctly and all that technical/programming voodoo =P
-Please someone check the images, as there´s still a ton of info to come! =)
+:::--[[User:Yakovlev|Yakovlev]] 03:22, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
-Well, apologies for the errors...will be doing the things better from now on =)
+:::: ^^;; needent go that far. it is a good idea, but for the most part, every faction in coh that is also in cov has all the same ppl spawn in it. Spawns that are cov only aren't linked to the coh side right? its only those couple of oddball cases where there are extra mobs of that faction for coV but none for coH. o.o Am I correct in assuming this is a purly coV thing and there aren't ppl that only spawn in coh for factions in both? I wasn't aware of the Crey one as well.. but thats only to factions where this is the case? the portraits idea sounds good, and probably would look good as well... but it would be a time killer, and most mobs don't have pics up to add the frames to..
-And just a last thing:
+:::: I'm not asking that anyone go crazzy with big alterations to the layout, organization or anything like that. ^^ I just though a quick '''NOTE: this minion/lueit/boss/Monster is only found in CoV instances of this faction''', or something similar, would be good to have on the rare nail sticking out. --[[User:Sleepykitty|Sleepy Kitty]] 09:07, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
-Please open new sections for more villain groups: Nemesis, Crey, Malta...everything. We are going to need them soon =D
+== Enemy Order ==
-Ah, and just in case:
+Should the enemies be ordered by name ( Energy > Force > Life > Soul ) or by level ( Life > Energy > Force > Soul )? I find the second way more intuitive to a player... - [[User:Baalus Seth|Baalus Seth]]
-- I can be found at @Yakovlev, and I always play in Pinnacle server. Just send a tell if I can be of help =)
+: I'm a fan of alphabetical in all situations.  It's the most intuitive you can get. While it may be obvious to you, who's played the game a while, unless you do something to make it obvious that it's by level, it's not very intuitive to someone brand new to the game. {{User:StarGeek/sig}} 11:05, 15 October 2006 (PDT)
-Yakovlev
+:: In fact I am - I'm doing my research slowly, affixing level ranges to mobs :) - [[User:Baalus Seth|Baalus Seth]] 12:03, 15 October 2006 (PDT)
+== Posessed Scientists? ==
+Do they appear anywhere other than in instanced missions? - [[User:Baalus Seth|Baalus Seth]] 08:05, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
+:I believe I saw some on Thorn Isle in the Nerva Archipelago. --[[User:Kung-Fu Jesus|Kung-Fu Jesus]] 08:17, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
+::They appear all around the Portal Corp. compound. Actually, in CoH, I don't recall them ever appearing in a mission. {{User:StarGeek/sig}} 11:52, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
+:::Both Kung Fu and Geek here are right: In City of Heroes Possessed Scientists are present near Portal Corp in such number that it's impossible to ignore them. In City of Villains they seem to be much rarer, and I have seen them only in Thorn Isle so far. I have nerver found them so far in any missions, at least yet (level 30). --[[User:Yakovlev|Yakovlev]] 00:11, 28 September 2006 (PDT)
+== Level Notes ==
+*division between Behemoth Masters and Overlords seems to be 34 | 35. Need somebody to double-check. - [[User:Baalus Seth|Skarmory The PG]] 06:43, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
+* Just now confirmed as 35|36 - [[User:Baalus Seth|Skarmory The PG]] 06:49, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
+* 35|36 Agony|Death - [[User:Baalus Seth|Skarmory The PG]] 10:39, 1 April 2007 (PDT)
+== Archus' and Caleb's Powers ==
+Thought it was about time they were added.
+[[User:SuperDuperTony|SuperDuperTony]] 18:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
+==Faction Member Powers and Statistics==
+*''''Agony Mages''' have a 10% resistance to to-hit debuffs. I believe that this should be added to the main page. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Arkonae|Arkonae]] ([[User talk:Arkonae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arkonae|contribs]]) 06:07, 6 September 2010</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
+== Casters formatting ==
+Tell me, which looks better:
+''Powers''
+{{Power|[[File:IceBlast IceBlast.png|22px]]| Ice Blast| Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold/Smash),  Foe -Recharge, -Speed| Ice Blast hurls shards of ice at foes and Slows their attacks and movement for a time. Slower recharge than Ice Bolt, but more damage. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate. }}
+{{Power|[[File:IceFormation Chillblains.png|22px]]| Chilblain| Ranged, Low Cold Damage, Foe Immobilize| Immobilize your target in an icy trap. Deals some damage over time and slightly slows the target movement and attack speed.}}
+{{Power|[[File:IcyOnslaught IceSword.png|22px]]| Ice Sword| Melee, Moderate Damage(Cold/Lethal), Foe -Recharge, -Speed| You create a blade of solid ice that deals good damage. Being hit by this Ice Sword will Slow a target's movement and attack speed, due to the intense chill. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate. }}
+{{Power|[[File:IceArmor IceArmor.png|22px]]| Frozen Armor| Self, +Resistance (24% Smash, 24% Lethal, 8% Fire, 16% Cold, 16% Toxic)| While this power is active, you coat yourself in rock hard Frozen Armor. The hardness of the Frozen Armor offers good defense to Smashing and Lethal attack as well as reduces Cold damage. Also, Fire attacks deal slightly less damage. Recharge: Very Fast. }}
+'''One or none of the following:'''
+{{Power|[[File:IceBlast BitterFrostBlast.png|22px]]| Bitter Ice Blast| Ranged, Superior Damage (Cold/Smash), Foe -Recharge, -Speed, -Accuracy| A slower yet more powerful version of Ice Blast, Bitter Ice Blast deals much more damage and can also reduce your enemy's Accuracy. Like other Ice Blast powers, Bitter Ice Blast can Slow a target's movement and attack speed. Damage: Superior, Recharge: Slow.}}
+{{Power|[[File:IceFormation_BlockOfIce.png|22px]]| Block of Ice| Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold) Foe: Hold -Speed -Recharge| You can freeze a single foe in a Block of Ice. The target is frozen solid, helpless, and can be attacked. More powerful foes may not be held, but all affected targets will be slowed and take some cold damage.}}
+oooooor
+''Powers''
+{{Power|[[File:IceBlast IceBlast.png|22px]]| Ice Blast| Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold/Smash),  Foe -Recharge, -Speed| Ice Blast hurls shards of ice at foes and Slows their attacks and movement for a time. Slower recharge than Ice Bolt, but more damage. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate. }}
+{{Power|[[File:IceFormation Chillblains.png|22px]]| Chilblain| Ranged, Low Cold Damage, Foe Immobilize| Immobilize your target in an icy trap. Deals some damage over time and slightly slows the target movement and attack speed.}}
+{{Power|[[File:IcyOnslaught IceSword.png|22px]]| Ice Sword| Melee, Moderate Damage(Cold/Lethal), Foe -Recharge, -Speed| You create a blade of solid ice that deals good damage. Being hit by this Ice Sword will Slow a target's movement and attack speed, due to the intense chill. Damage: Moderate, Recharge: Moderate. }}
+{{Power|[[File:IceArmor IceArmor.png|22px]]| Frozen Armor| Self, +Resistance (24% Smash, 24% Lethal, 8% Fire, 16% Cold, 16% Toxic)| While this power is active, you coat yourself in rock hard Frozen Armor. The hardness of the Frozen Armor offers good defense to Smashing and Lethal attack as well as reduces Cold damage. Also, Fire attacks deal slightly less damage. Recharge: Very Fast. }}
+'''Plus'''
+{{Power|[[File:IceBlast BitterFrostBlast.png|22px]]| Bitter Ice Blast| Ranged, Superior Damage (Cold/Smash), Foe -Recharge, -Speed, -Accuracy| A slower yet more powerful version of Ice Blast, Bitter Ice Blast deals much more damage and can also reduce your enemy's Accuracy. Like other Ice Blast powers, Bitter Ice Blast can Slow a target's movement and attack speed. Damage: Superior, Recharge: Slow.}}
+'''Or'''
+{{Power|[[File:IceFormation_BlockOfIce.png|22px]]| Block of Ice| Ranged, Moderate Damage (Cold) Foe: Hold -Speed -Recharge| You can freeze a single foe in a Block of Ice. The target is frozen solid, helpless, and can be attacked. More powerful foes may not be held, but all affected targets will be slowed and take some cold damage.}}
+'''Or'''
+{{Power|[[File:Power Missing.png|22px]]| No additional powers| No additional powers|'' This Ice Thorn Caster doesn't have any additional powers.''}}
+--[[User:Baalus Seth|Baalus Seth]] 13:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
+== Updated Human Art ==
+This page could use updated screenshots to reflect the recent art changes of Human members.  I'll try to contribute, but I'm not very good at image editing.  --[[User:Variatas|Variatas]] 19:28, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
+:Also, should a Historical section be added to reflect when the change occurred? --[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] 21:01, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
+:I added a good deal of images to update the ones here to their new looks... there are still a few yet to be added, including folks like Baron Zoria. --[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] 23:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
+::Historical section at the bottom and a gallery of old NPCs should suffice, I think.  :3  [[User:Sera404|Sera404]] 23:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
+:Okay, all of the human Mages (excluding Libri Vermis who is not in the AE for some reason) are now changed over... critique my images all you like.  :) --[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] 00:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
+::Woot, just snagged a shot of the new Libri Vermis and put him in there as well!  Personally, I like the old one better.  :(  --[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] 03:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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