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Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to the Paragon Wiki!  Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay.  Feel free to fill out your personal user page so we can get to know you. There is a collection of [[:Category:Userbox_Templates|Userboxes]] you can easily add there. Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date.  
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== Few Questions ==
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Hey Thirty7, the last time we talked, you told me to get the code on existing badge images and just edit them from there, but I can't get to the code. How do I do that?
  
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Don't forget to drop by and introduce yourself in the [http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/c,14.html forum]. If you need help, ask me on my talk page or ask on the forums and someone will try to to answer your questions shortly.
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Also, what I meant was the [[:Category: Places Images]]. I'm trying to upload screenshots for the zones, and I'm not having much luck. [[User talk:Fescu|Fescu]] 19:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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Also, make sure you take a look at the [[Help:Contents|Help page]].  There are a lot of preloaded images, missions, and contact info templates, and what you want to add might already be there.  
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:Code from badge images?  I thought you were asking about this: {{tl|Enemy Link}} templates.  I guess I'm not sure what you mean precisely about that. As far as getting images into that category, when you click the Upload file link, just put <nowiki>[[Category:Places Images]]</nowiki> in the Summary box, and it will be automagically included on that page.  Does that help? Also, if you want to link to a specific category, you have to include a colon (:) after the double bracket to keep it from adding the page you use it on in that category, if that makes sense (look at the code for your message to see what I mean). {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 04:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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Again, welcome! -- ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 06:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
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::Well, actually I did mean {{tl|Enemy Link}} templates. I don't know why I said badge images. Sorry for the confusion. Based on what you said, though, I did go and try to get the code for a badge image, and this was all I got was: [[:Category:Badge Icons]] As for uploading images of zones, I succeeded, so thank you for all your help. [[User:Fescu|Fescu]] 17:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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:::Yes, there will be exactly zero useful "code" or Wiki-markup on a Badge Image.  However, if you are looking to make Enemy Link templates for more enemy groups, try going to one like [[Template:Enemy Angry Citizens]] and simply copying the markup from the Edit page.  Then, you can create a new page, say [[Template:Enemy Crazy Morons]] and copy in the text.  Then change 'Angry Citizens' to 'Crazy Morons' and update the file link and all should be well, methinks (assuming I am understanding what you want to do...).  {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 02:05, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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We don't use includeonly very often. It's only really used when the template to be transcluded just won't work locally for whatever reason and ends up looking like garbage. There's no harm in leaving the template show itself above the documentation. And in fact, it can be helpful during template modifications, since that's the only way you can see what the changes you're making will do. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 18:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
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::::I did what you said, and I got {{Enemy Crazy Morons}} Considering how I started out not knowing ANYTHING, I'd say that's pretty good, heh. I just have one more question and I'll get out of your hair. How do I make the picture like {{Enemy WarWorks}} with the circular gold ring going around the picture of the robot instead of square? [[User:Fescu|Fescu]] 23:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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:Good to know.  I just tossed it in there due to the symbol above the documentation transclusion.  —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 03:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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Yeah, I'd say that does look pretty good! {{smile}}  As far as making them in a circle like that?  Well, that involves a little bit of PhotoShopping.  The gold ring is harvested from older defeat badges like [[Bonecrusher Badge]].  Once I isolated the ring, I use it as a layer and put it OVER whatever image I want in the center.  Then, I make sure to cut off the excess of the lower image and save it as a PNG.  Also, you'll note that I gave the Template you are testing a category, and added a custom image I slapped together.  {{cool}} (Oh, and PS, if you make those templates for real, the <nowiki><br /></nowiki> is important, so don't exclude that part.)  {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 23:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hiya! I saw your updated veteran time generic userbox and thought it was a fabulous idea, so {{tl|Userbox Issue}} was born! ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 06:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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:Coolness! I liked the idea of a Vet box... but now with Freedom and the deprecation of the numbered badges... and wanted an alternative, I thought the issue method worked well.  :)  Glad you liked the idea. —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 05:10, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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:I did it! I almost downloaded another photoshop tool before I realized I had gimp, but I did it! Thank you for all your help! Here is the final result...
  
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== Enemy Templates and Images ==
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Just wanted to say thanks for the work you're doing on the enemy templates and the custom images you're uploading to go along with them.  Really enjoying some of the images and the changes look much better where the templates are used in articles. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 20:34, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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::Glad you like them!!  That's something that has bothered me for a LONG time... since I first started visiting the Wiki.  If you have suggestions, you can edit them in on my [[User:Thirty7/Projects]] page, just put a note there or something so I know it wasn't my idea.  :)  —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 21:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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::Unfortunately, the sizing is a bit off... the icons need to be 48x48, but a very good first attempt to be sure.  {{smile}} {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 00:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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Hey Thirty7! I sent you a PM on our forums last week but hadn't heard back from you. I just wanted to make sure you'd received it since they're sometimes easy to miss, plus I understand you don't have easy access to the forums. If you'd rather follow up via email, my email is sekoia@cohtitan.com. Thanks! -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 19:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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:::I took the liberty of making one as if I had made the Enemy template, that's basically the type of image and sizing that I try to shoot for. I also try to edit out parts that refer to specific locations due to the fact that these templates are used on multiple pages referring to a plethora of missions, usually. Also, when possible they are based on existing badge art. Just a few tips as you get into doing it. Just as [[User:Blondeshell|Blondeshell]] is a bit possessive of badge related stuff, you will find I am very exacting when it comes to Enemy Link templates.  {{tongue}} {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 01:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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:I will take a look over there, I almost NEVER look at those forums... though I should.  Thanks for the heads up. —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 21:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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::::Oh, 48x48? Thanks! And don't worry, you two can have main action. {{tongue}} To be honest, the only reason I'm trying to learn how to do it is because for a long time the [[Devouring Earth (Praetorian)]] didn't have an Enemy Link Template, and all I could figure out how to do was the hated [[File:V badge BattleDomeBadge.png|16px]], which I put in there completely by accident. I do, however, plan to start putting in images for speaking to people like [[the Hetman]], so that should be fun.
  
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::::Just to get the size right, I made another Enemy Link Template for if they ever add Warshades as an enemy group, {{Enemy Warshades}}... Why is it so small? I used the 48x48 dimensions and this was what I got.[[User:Fescu|Fescu]] 16:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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:::::Looks to me like you had a ton of whitespace around it... and then shrunk the width to 48px... making the actual image miniscule.  {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 16:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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o.o looks like I got some [[Talk:Super_Pack/Heroes_and_Villains#Cards_by_Number|#s for your cards]], want me to keep dumping them in or? --[[User:Sleepykitty|Sleepykitty]] 15:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the heads up, Sleepy... but I think the link I just noted on that Talk page already takes care of most of it, feel free to add to that page with what info you have, or even MORE helpfully, feel free to continue to add to the one in my Projects that will eventually replace both tables on the [[Super Pack/Heroes and Villains]] page ([[User:Thirty7/Projects/H&V Table]]). —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 15:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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::::::Finally, success! I think I finally have it down how to do this. Thanks again for taking the time to help me with this. [[User:Fescu|Fescu]] 01:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
  
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In reply to your comment: "don't see why this is a template, and not just in mission namespace"
 
  
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If you look at the history for that template, you'll see that it was created back in 2006.  The Mission namespace didn't come along until much, much later.  Those old mission templates are another thing I'm working on sorting out as I go through and update the contacts.  (But I won't be offended if they've already been fixed before I reach those contacts.) --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 15:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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:As I got to looking at them more, I realized that.  I don't recall exactly where I said that, but my general point in making the assertion was so that folks knew that it seemed silly to me to use Templates for anything with regard to actual mission/story arc content... and that we didn't have to. It seemed like Agge and folks kept saying "unless used by multiple contacts" which seemed odd to keep saying since that was no longer necessary either.  —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 03:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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>_<;;; that wasn't an unused file.. that was the icon for SP#2 that you had just uploaded earlier... its now a dead link on the SP2 page. --[[User:Sleepykitty|Sleepykitty]] 03:37, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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::I've been working down the list of [[:Category:Hero Contacts|Hero Contacts]] from top to bottom.  For each contact, I look at whether or not they are specific to an origin.  If they are, I look to see if they are unique to that level range.  For example, note the number of [[:Category:Hero Contacts Level 20-24|Level 20-24]] contacts that are all Natural origin.  By way of game mechanics, each of those contacts offer the same missions (both arc and non-arc), but may not all have all of the non-arc missions documented on their page.  I generally open all related pages in separate tabs, and begin by moving any missions that haven't been put in the Mission namespace to separate pages.  Then I move missions that are in template form but not in the Mission namespace to the Mission namespace and make sure before deleting the original template that all pages listed in "what links here" have been updated with the new mission name in the Mission namespace. Then I collect all of the templates into a single consolidated list (alphabetizing helps to sort all that out) and paste the full list back into each contact's article. Save each contact, and we're done with that level range and origin.
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:Well drat.  I thought I had linked that page to the other icon I uploaded.  It is fixed now.  I had uploaded the same image twice, one in the naming convention of the defunct icon, and one using the naming convention for the icon that the game actually uses.   If that makes any sense. {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 06:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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::You're right.  It's a bit of a tangled mess.  :) --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 14:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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::<nowiki>*</nowiki>hands Thirty7 a pillow and blankie* --[[User:Sleepykitty|Sleepykitty]] 14:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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:::Heh, I work Third Shift, pillows and blankies will be unnecessary.  {{tongue}} {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 23:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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To link a badge with a parenthetical using the template, such as {{BadgeLink|Gate Crasher|Achievement}} on the [[Dilemma Diabolique Trial]] page, use <nowiki>{{BadgeLink|Gate Crasher|Achievement}}</nowiki>. This is noted on the documentation page for the template. [[User:Draeth Darkstar|Draeth Darkstar]] 02:25, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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==Incarnate Story==
  
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:Good to know. {{smile}} —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 16:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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Nice work! I never really played them, so it's good to know what the later ones are about. I made what I think are some needed punctuation edits. I do have 2 things to address:
  
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:Although, the reason I undid the link was also because it was quite likely to receive a change in name, thus meaning that page would need to be edited again anyway, regardless of what badge it links to. —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 05:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
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1. BAF line says: "They make a report to Mother Mayhem in which they will spin the infiltration as an unprovoked attack, and in the meantime, release brainwashed members of the Resistance who will purport messages to authorities about the beneficence of the Praetorians." "Purport" is technically used properly here, but it just sounds weird, but I wasn't sure if changing it to "relay" would get the same message across. Additionally, what "authorities" are they sending these messages to? Resistance, Primal Earth, what? Can't be the Praet authorities since they're working against them...
  
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2. Calvin Scott was never married to Aurora!? Whaaaaat???
  
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hey man, could you add small portrait images, like the small contact images, http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Category:Small_Villain_Contact_Images, of the various types of IDF forces and the new praetorians like: Siege, Praetorian Malaise, The new Black swan and shadowhunter, tyrant, and pendragon, please? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Lichlord08|Lichlord08]] ([[User talk:Lichlord08|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lichlord08|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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[[User:Felderburg|Felderburg]] 21:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
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:Yeah, "relay" would be just fine.  And the rationale there for releasing the mindwashed Resistance members is a bit fuzzy and seemed illogical even when I remembered it more clearly.  I'll have to see if I can find some screen shots of the opening video somewhere.
  
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:I would love to... except that I am not precisely sure where I would got about obtaining all of those.  What exactly did you need those particular images for?  —[[User:Thirty7|Thirty7]] [[File:Talk-Icon.jpg|link=User talk:Thirty7]] 15:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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:Yeah, Praetorian Calvin was shocked too.  Turns out she merely treated him while he was incarcerated at MoMPH. {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 23:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
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::a little hard to explain but i've collected those images since cov first came out, i use the portraits as part of a document i've been working on since coh came out, and while the game is free to play right now, i can't afford to pay for incarnate content and such. one way to get those images, if they are available for you is to use those characters as mission contacts in AE. another is when you see the enemy, click on the action tab under there health and click info. these are among the last images in need for the document and i would be indebted if they could apprear on this site. if you're having trouble could you ask some of the others like blondeshell or guyperfect if they could find them please? thanks in advance. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Lichlord08|Lichlord08]] ([[User talk:Lichlord08|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lichlord08|contribs]]) 15:49, April 9, 2012</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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Few Questions

Hey Thirty7, the last time we talked, you told me to get the code on existing badge images and just edit them from there, but I can't get to the code. How do I do that?

Also, what I meant was the Category: Places Images. I'm trying to upload screenshots for the zones, and I'm not having much luck. Fescu 19:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Code from badge images? I thought you were asking about this: {{Enemy Link}} templates. I guess I'm not sure what you mean precisely about that. As far as getting images into that category, when you click the Upload file link, just put [[Category:Places Images]] in the Summary box, and it will be automagically included on that page. Does that help? Also, if you want to link to a specific category, you have to include a colon (:) after the double bracket to keep it from adding the page you use it on in that category, if that makes sense (look at the code for your message to see what I mean). — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 04:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, actually I did mean {{Enemy Link}} templates. I don't know why I said badge images. Sorry for the confusion. Based on what you said, though, I did go and try to get the code for a badge image, and this was all I got was: Category:Badge Icons As for uploading images of zones, I succeeded, so thank you for all your help. Fescu 17:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, there will be exactly zero useful "code" or Wiki-markup on a Badge Image. However, if you are looking to make Enemy Link templates for more enemy groups, try going to one like Template:Enemy Angry Citizens and simply copying the markup from the Edit page. Then, you can create a new page, say Template:Enemy Crazy Morons and copy in the text. Then change 'Angry Citizens' to 'Crazy Morons' and update the file link and all should be well, methinks (assuming I am understanding what you want to do...). — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 02:05, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I did what you said, and I got V badge CrazyMorons.png Crazy Morons
Considering how I started out not knowing ANYTHING, I'd say that's pretty good, heh. I just have one more question and I'll get out of your hair. How do I make the picture like V badge Warworks.png WarWorks
with the circular gold ring going around the picture of the robot instead of square? Fescu 23:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Yeah, I'd say that does look pretty good! Smilies smile.gif As far as making them in a circle like that? Well, that involves a little bit of PhotoShopping. The gold ring is harvested from older defeat badges like Bonecrusher Badge. Once I isolated the ring, I use it as a layer and put it OVER whatever image I want in the center. Then, I make sure to cut off the excess of the lower image and save it as a PNG. Also, you'll note that I gave the Template you are testing a category, and added a custom image I slapped together. Smilies cool.gif (Oh, and PS, if you make those templates for real, the <br /> is important, so don't exclude that part.) — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 23:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I did it! I almost downloaded another photoshop tool before I realized I had gimp, but I did it! Thank you for all your help! Here is the final result...
V badge Nemesis Warhorse1.png Nemesis Warhorse
Fescu 00:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the sizing is a bit off... the icons need to be 48x48, but a very good first attempt to be sure. Smilies smile.gif — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 00:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
I took the liberty of making one as if I had made the Enemy template, that's basically the type of image and sizing that I try to shoot for. I also try to edit out parts that refer to specific locations due to the fact that these templates are used on multiple pages referring to a plethora of missions, usually. Also, when possible they are based on existing badge art. Just a few tips as you get into doing it. Just as Blondeshell is a bit possessive of badge related stuff, you will find I am very exacting when it comes to Enemy Link templates. Smilies tongue.gif — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 01:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Oh, 48x48? Thanks! And don't worry, you two can have main action. Smilies tongue.gif To be honest, the only reason I'm trying to learn how to do it is because for a long time the Devouring Earth (Praetorian) didn't have an Enemy Link Template, and all I could figure out how to do was the hated V badge BattleDomeBadge.png, which I put in there completely by accident. I do, however, plan to start putting in images for speaking to people like the Hetman, so that should be fun.
Just to get the size right, I made another Enemy Link Template for if they ever add Warshades as an enemy group, V badge Warshade.png Warshades
... Why is it so small? I used the 48x48 dimensions and this was what I got.Fescu 16:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Looks to me like you had a ton of whitespace around it... and then shrunk the width to 48px... making the actual image miniscule. — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 16:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Finally, success! I think I finally have it down how to do this. Thanks again for taking the time to help me with this. Fescu 01:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


SuperPack02 RoguesandVigilantes.png

>_<;;; that wasn't an unused file.. that was the icon for SP#2 that you had just uploaded earlier... its now a dead link on the SP2 page. --Sleepykitty 03:37, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Well drat. I thought I had linked that page to the other icon I uploaded. It is fixed now. I had uploaded the same image twice, one in the naming convention of the defunct icon, and one using the naming convention for the icon that the game actually uses. If that makes any sense. — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 06:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
*hands Thirty7 a pillow and blankie* --Sleepykitty 14:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Heh, I work Third Shift, pillows and blankies will be unnecessary. Smilies tongue.gif — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 23:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Incarnate Story

Nice work! I never really played them, so it's good to know what the later ones are about. I made what I think are some needed punctuation edits. I do have 2 things to address:

1. BAF line says: "They make a report to Mother Mayhem in which they will spin the infiltration as an unprovoked attack, and in the meantime, release brainwashed members of the Resistance who will purport messages to authorities about the beneficence of the Praetorians." "Purport" is technically used properly here, but it just sounds weird, but I wasn't sure if changing it to "relay" would get the same message across. Additionally, what "authorities" are they sending these messages to? Resistance, Primal Earth, what? Can't be the Praet authorities since they're working against them...

2. Calvin Scott was never married to Aurora!? Whaaaaat???

Felderburg 21:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, "relay" would be just fine. And the rationale there for releasing the mindwashed Resistance members is a bit fuzzy and seemed illogical even when I remembered it more clearly. I'll have to see if I can find some screen shots of the opening video somewhere.
Yeah, Praetorian Calvin was shocked too. Turns out she merely treated him while he was incarcerated at MoMPH. — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 23:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
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