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| − | MASSIVE RAMPANT SPOILER WARNING! Do not read this guide if you want to wait until Issue 9 to learn a little about Inventions!
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| − | CONTENTS
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| − | 1.. Introduction
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| − | 1.1 Purpose of This Guide
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| − | 1.2 What we Already Know
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| − | 1.3 On the Test Server I
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| − | 2.. Inventions Listings
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| − | 3.. Further Analysis
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| − | 3.1 What Does it Cost?
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| − | 3.2 On Balance I
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| − | 1: INTRODUCTION
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| − | 1.1: PURPOSE OF THIS GUIDE
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| − | I'm sure you've heard by now, the Issue 8 patch on the Training Room server contains something we weren't meant to see yet - elements of the Invention system due for release with Issue 9.
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| − | In this guide I intend to take a look at the front-end of the Invention system that exists in the public domain. Through a little analysis I hope to uncover some of the secrets of this much-hyped system and get a handle on what we can expect to see when I9 comes to the shores of Paragon City proper.
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| − | That said, the conclusions and predictions I put forth in this spoiler should be taken with a grain of salt. They are wholly unofficial and incomplete and the final Invention system can change as easily as the devs can change their socks. I won't speak as an authority on Invention nor do I intend to. This is just guesswork and a little deduction based on the information at hand and I hope it gets you as excited as I am!
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| − | With the Invention system on the Training Room for a limited time, we can finally get a rough idea about what exactly the much-touted Invention system, due for I9, will entail.
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| − | 1. Despite it being on Test, Inventions are not part of I8 and will not make it live until I9. This has already been confirmed by Cricket on the US boards, so don't get your hopes up.
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| − | If you were to enter either of the two universities currently open on the Test server, you would find yourself in a large interior. In front of you are a number of computer consoles designed for Inventing. Don't worry, you can't miss them - there are 20-something such consoles spread throughout the extensive interior. There are screengrabs circulating already. If you're curious but can't access the Test Server, hunt them down. That's not what this guide is about.
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| − | The list of Inventions, as I mentioned earlier, is obviously incomplete. But it does allow us to take a sneak-peek at the enhancement side of the new system and take an educated guess as to how it's going to work.
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| − | Each Invention has its own unique name and some are quite characterful (eg. Gift of the Ancients). Some are even named after in-game characters (eg. Positron's Blast, Mako's Bite).
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| − | Each item on the Inventions list requires both salvage and influence to create, just like crafting for bases. I will not be listing these requirements, but I'll talk about them in general terms later. Interestingly, the Salvage that is required for all these Inventions does not yet exist in the game.
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| − | Each Invention name is written in italics, followed by the level range in brackets. Underneath each Invention name is a list of available enhancement sub-headings, written in orange if they appear orange in-game (the yellow ones would not show up and so are written in plain text). I apologise if they're not legible enough - I've put them in quotes to darken their backdrop further, but just highlight the text with your mouse if you still have trouble reading it. Each sub-heading is separated by a hyphon ("-") and the special ones have been highlighted in bold, because they're not like any enhancements we've seen before.
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| − | Loc: Union Re: Inventions: An Unofficial & Incomplete Spoiler [Re: _Echo_]
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| − | Befuddling Aura (Lvl 10-30)
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| − | Acc/Conf - Acc/Dam - Dam/Conf - Acc/End - Conf/End/Rech
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| − | Acc/Dam - Acc/End - Dam/Sleep - Sleep/Range - End/Rech/Sleep - Chance for Self Heal
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| − | Decimation (Lvl 25-40)
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| − | DEFENSE BUFF ENHANCEMENTS
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| − | Gift of the Ancients (Lvl 15-40)
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| − | +5% Run Speed - Def/End/Rech - Def/Rech - Def - End/Rech
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| − | +5% Recharge Speed - Def/End - Def/End/Rech - Def/Rech - Def - End/Rech
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| − | Commanding Presence (Lvl 10-30)
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| − | Acc/End - Dam/End - Acc/Dam/End - Aura Taunt & Placate Resistance for Pets
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| − | RANGED ENHANCEMENTS
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| − | Air Burst (Lvl 10-53)
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| − | Acc/Dam - Acc/Int/Range - Acc/Range/Rech - Dam/End - Dam/End/Rech - Dam/Int/Rech
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| − | Blood Mandate (Lvl 25-53)
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| − | Crushing Impact (Lvl 30-53)
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| − | Acc/Dam - Acc/Dam/End - Acc/Dam/Rech - Dam/End - Dam/End/Rech - Dam/Rech
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| − | Focused Smite (Lvl 25-40)
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| − | Maelstrom's Fury (Lvl 20-35)
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| − | Multi-strike (Lvl 20-53)
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| − | Acc/Dam - Acc/End - Dam/Acc/End - Dam/End - Dam/End/Rech - Dam/Rech
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| − | Pulverising Fisticuffs (Lvl 10-25)
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| − | Acc/Dam
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| − | Ruin (Lvl 25-40)
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| − | Acc/Dam - Acc/Dam/Rech - Acc/End/Rech - Dam/End - Dam/Rech
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| − | Smashing Haymaker (Lvl 20-35)
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| − | Thunderstrike (Lvl 30-53)
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| − | Acc/Dam - Acc/Dam/End - Acc/Dam/Rech - Dam/End - Dam/End/Rech - Dam/Rech
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| − | The remainder of the Inventions on the Training Room at the moment. I noticed that some will provide enhancements to range while others do not. Assuming this is an intentional omission (and not a result of a bug, or the fact that the list is still a work-in-progress), then does this also mean that some Inventions will be limited in their application between melee or ranged attacks?
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| − | Such tech has never been used in CoX before, so I don't know if it's even possible to say, "Thou may fit this acc/dam enhancement into a melee power, but woe unto ye if thou tries to put it in Flares. That one sucks anyway."
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| − | AKA: Echo Taker, Straight Edge, Miss Guile, Atlaser Z, Bubble O'Severn, Danger Baby, Footloose, Lola After The Bomb, Mona Wailer, Gear Punk, Whitfinger.
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| − | Loc: Union Re: Inventions: An Unofficial & Incomplete Spoiler [Re: _Echo_]
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| − | Ghost Widow's Embrace: Chance for Psionic Damage (lvl 20)
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| − | Inf: 3000
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| − | Salvage: Spell Scroll (x1) Brass (x1) Volume of the Obsidian Librum (x1) Symbiotic Armor (x1) Enriched Plutonium (x1)
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| − | Ghost Widow's Embrace: Chance for Psionic Damage (lvl 53)
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| − | Salvage: Demonic Threat Report (x1) Silver (x1) Psionic Threat Report (x1) Hamidon Goo (x1) Chronal Skip (x1)
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| − | Predictably, the Influence/Infamy cost rises with level. Salvage is another matter. As all the salvage used in this system is new and not yet in the game, we cannot say with any accuracy how common or rare a particular piece of salvage may be. However in this case, I'm sure you could say that "Hamidon Goo" is pretty darn rare and tentatively assume that higher level Inventions require rarer salvage as well as more Inf.
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| − | Brilliant Leadership: Acc (lvl 40)
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| − | Inf: 8000
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| − | Salvage: Improved Cybernetic (x1) Ancient Bone (x1) Living Tattoo (x1)
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| − | Brilliant Leadership: Acc/Dam (lvl 40)
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| − | Inf: 8000
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| − | Brilliant Leadership: Acc/Dam/End (lvl 40)
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| − | They all cost the same! They require the same number of salvage items! For a balanced system then, we must assume one of two possibilities:
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| − | The first possibility is the salvage to make an Invention that buffs two attributes is rarer than that need to make an Invention that buffs one. Similarly, to buff three attributes in one Invention you need rarer salvage than to buff two. Say for example an Invention provides an SO-level buff (eg. +36% damage), then a Dam/Rech Invention would provide a +36% boost to both the Damage and Recharge of a power.
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| − | The other possibility is the salvage items to make an Invention are of similar rarity, independent of how many attributes the Invention buffs. However, the sum total of buffs from a single Invention is always the same, regardless of the number of buffed attributes. The following scenario would occur:
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| − | Imagine the Inventions provide an SO-level buff, say +36% for the sake of argument. Then an enhancement to one attribute (eg. Damage) would get the full buff. An enhancement to two attributes (eg. Dam/End) would be split so each attribute gets +18% (36% total). Likewise, a three-way enhancement (eg. Dam/End/Rech) would get +12% each (36% total).
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| − | Which is more favourable? The first option. Regardless of the means, if the end results are worth pursuing then players will soldier on and find that rare salvage for the big time buffs.
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| − | Yes, it has the potential for becoming overpowered, but the devs have said that the Legends system was designed to allow lvl 50 characters to become even more powerful, and the Legends system grew into the Invention system.
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| − | The second alternative is certainly easier to balance within the game, but by adopting this method the devs would defeat the purpose of the Inventions system. Why even bother to craft six copies of Blood Mandate: Acc/Dam when you would gain precisely the same benefit from three Acc SOs and three Dam SOs, for a fraction of the cost and zero salvage?
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| − | What's more, if players wish to diversify through this split-slotting, then they would need to compensate the loss of effectiveness by using up more slots, which will prevent them from diversifying anyway!
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| − | There are no percentages to accompany the Inventions as of yet, maybe because they're still being finalised. But through the reasoning above, I'm certain that the total % buff provided by a single Invention is larger than the % buff of an SO enhancement (or a DO enhancement at lower levels).
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| − | To put it another way, if the total % buff of a lvl 53 Invention is equal to or less than an lvl 53 SO enhancement, the process is just not worth the effort. I like to think the devs know this full well.
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| − | But if the end result is as powerful as I can guess (up to 3 SOs in one slot!), how could it be balanced? Simply, make the salvage rarer. Adjusting Inf costs do nothing you're your average lvl 50 millionaire, but they still have to collect salvage at the same rate everyone else does. And if the rewards are this high, then players will do what it takes.
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| − | What about the mid-game? How do you balance the game for heroes/villains in their lvl 20s? Rarity of salvage will prevent a toon on its own from garnering too many Invention enhancements during its middle-age, but if a well-supported hero/villain in a large SG wishes to spend all that salvage and Inf on making themselves uber for at most 5 levels? They're welcome to it.
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| − | What would be more sensible - and more attainable - would be to by one or two Inventions to help out during those levels when you don't have nearly as many enhancement slots available to you, boosting your abilities better than you could with regular DOs/SOs. Chances are that salvage you're collecting may only be useful for those lvl 20-30 enhancements anyway, and different salvage (like Hami-Goo) will be needed later instead. This is more likely what the devs would have in mind for those Inventions in the mid-game.
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| − | Yeah, I've been trying to fathom this one. I'm not a PvP player so personally I don't really care (sorry!), but I recognise the balance problems a system like this would cause.
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| − | A lvl 50 hero or villain tooled up with Inventions will still meet people of a similar situation in Recluse's Victory. A lvl 50 entering Siren's call however, will have a distinct advantage even after they are auto-exemped.
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| − | Whether or not my earlier assumptions are correct, I can only imagine what the devs have in mind to fix this issue. Other enhancements are scaled down automatically when exemped. Perhaps Invention enhancements will be scaled down too, on a harsher scale? I simply can't say without any evidence. Anyone got a better idea?
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| − | AKA: Echo Taker, Straight Edge, Miss Guile, Atlaser Z, Bubble O'Severn, Danger Baby, Footloose, Lola After The Bomb, Mona Wailer, Gear Punk, Whitfinger.
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| − | Reged: Mar 01 2006
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| − | Posts: 444
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| − | Loc: Union Re: Inventions: An Unofficial & Incomplete Spoiler [Re: _Echo_]
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| − | Well, that's my incomplete spoiler guide completed. I'll update this for glaring errors, but I probably won't be keeping it up-to-date with future developments until the release of I9 or anything daft like that. Frankly, I'd rather be playing CoX instead.
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| − | I hope this guide has given you a glimpse of the future direction of CoX and a little shiver of excitement about the possibilities the Invention system will give us. Think about the new builds we'll see, when folks no longer have to obey the 2 acc, 3 dam doctrine? Less cookie-cutter builds! More experimentation! And more power! While it may not be "nearly limitless" (-Positron TM), this Invention system can give us a vast range of options and customisation we didn't have before! And this is only one part of that system! There are temp powers and costume pieces to look forward to as well! I'm all tingly inside.
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| − | This guide is an attempt to deduce the extent of the Invention system from limited evidence, but it is also an exercise in conjecture. Feel free to question my logic or comment in general below. I provided as complete a list as I could so you could see the Inventions for yourself and make your own minds up, so if you have other ideas I'd be interested to hear them!
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The Paragon Wiki Archive documents the state of City of Heroes/Villains as it existed on December 1, 2012.
