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If you stop getting xp at the max limit, meaning if you have 5xp left to level, and you kill something worth 6xp, you are awarded only 5xp regardless... then level 40 takes a cumulative xp of 8,401,519. I don't want to put this into the table yet because I wasn't sure if it worked that way. [[User:Martavius|Martavius]] 15:06, 27 May 2006 (PDT)
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== Level 46 ==
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== Removed outdated stuff ==
  
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It doesn't fit with the rest of the chart, but I'm looking at what is needed for me to hit level 46.  I currently have 22,318,463 and need 63,656 to hit level 46. - [[User:Snorii|Snorii]] 20:13, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
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Previous discussions (now archived) mentioned that much of the article was outdated. Those concerns were raised a year ago and nothing was updated. Rather than leaving outdated information in the article, I've removed much of it. If anyone can re-add it with correct data, please do. Also, can anyone verify whether the information that remains is valid? I'm somewhat suspect of the [[Experience#Experience Rewards Table|Experience Rewards Table]], especially with all of the asterisks floating about it. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 21:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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Not sure where those other numbers came from, but yours add up. Found an xp table! -- [[User:Taxibot Yellow|Taxibot Yellow]] 01:46, 23 July 2006 (PDT)
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== Minor discrepancies ==
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Interestingly (for some...) at level 11 and 39, the XP rewards for Minions and Lieutenants seem to be swapped. Can we confirm if these points are valid? It may have been a simple data-entry problem?
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Of course, AVs are by far the best kills/level gained (only ever requiring a maximum of 37.4 even after level 39) whereas the closer to level 50 you are, the less beneficial defeating GMs becomes, closely approaching the same required number of missions after level 39 (plateaus at 167 complete missions for a whole level at level 39) rising fairly smoothly from 65 GMs at level 39 to 150 at level 49.
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:Gah! Looked at the wrong trend line on my graph! Missions, not bosses (you need 689 bosses at level 39+ - ouch!) -- [[User:Kalon|Kalon]] 20:49, 12 August 2007 (EDT)
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== Old table Archive ==
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These are the base experience reward values for each rank and level of critter, as well as missions. Some of the more difficult critters have a bonus modifier that increases the amount of XP rewarded.
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{| border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 style="border: 1px solid; text-align: right;"
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| style="background:#ddd; border-right: 1px solid;" |    '''Level'''   
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| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Underling'''   
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| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Minion'''   
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| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Lieut.'''   
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| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Boss'''   
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| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''AV/Hero'''   
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| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''GM'''   
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| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Mission'''   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 1   
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| 0   
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| 10   
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| 22   
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| 44   
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| 1074   
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| 10   
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| 1074   
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| 25   
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| 1074   
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| 15   
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| 25   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 4   
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| 0   
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| 10   
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| 22   
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| 44   
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| 1074   
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| 21   
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| 33   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 5   
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| 0   
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| 11   
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| 24   
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| 48   
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| 1170   
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| 67   
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| 50   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 6   
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| 0   
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−
| 12   
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| 26   
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| 52   
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| 1292   
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| 116   
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| 50   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 7   
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| 0   
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−
| 13   
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| 28   
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| 56   
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| 1388   
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| 160   
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| 75   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 8   
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| 0   
+
−
| 14   
+
−
| 30   
+
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| 60   
+
−
| 1504   
+
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| 247   
+
−
| 81   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 9   
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| 1   
+
−
| 15   
+
−
| 33   
+
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| 66   
+
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| 1600   
+
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| 315   
+
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| 112   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 10   
+
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| 1   
+
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| 16   
+
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| 35   
+
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| 70   
+
−
| 1722   
+
−
| 390   
+
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| 100   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 11   
+
−
| 1   
+
−
| 17   
+
−
| 37   
+
−
| 74   
+
−
| 1818   
+
−
| 535   
+
−
| 130   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 12   
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−
| 1   
+
−
| 18   
+
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| 39   
+
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| 78   
+
−
| 1936   
+
−
| 625   
+
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| 140   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 13   
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−
| 1   
+
−
| 20   
+
−
| 44   
+
−
| 88   
+
−
| 2154   
+
−
| 720   
+
−
| 171   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 14   
+
−
| 1   
+
−
| 22   
+
−
| 48   
+
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| 96   
+
−
| 2366   
+
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| 1000   
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| 250   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 15   
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| 1   
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| 24   
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| 52   
+
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| 104   
+
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| 2584   
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| 1281   
+
−
| 375   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 16   
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−
| 2   
+
−
| 26   
+
−
| 57   
+
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| 114   
+
−
| 2798   
+
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| 1480   
+
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| 500   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 17   
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| 2   
+
−
| 29   
+
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| 63   
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| 126   
+
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| 3132   
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| 1818   
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| 625   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 18   
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| 2   
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| 32   
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| 70   
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| 140   
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| 3446   
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| 2236   
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| 750   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 19   
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| 2   
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| 36   
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| 79   
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| 158   
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| 3878   
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| 2600   
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| 875   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 20   
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| 3   
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| 40   
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| 88   
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| 176   
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| 4308   
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| 1000   
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| 4856   
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| 1125   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 22   
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| 4   
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| 52   
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| 114   
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| 228   
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| 5410   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 23   
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| 5   
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| 60   
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| 132   
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| 264   
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| 6054   
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| 5600   
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| 1400   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 24   
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| 6   
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| 69   
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| 151   
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| 302   
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| 6798   
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| 7200   
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| 1575   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 25   
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| 7   
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| 80   
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| 176   
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| 352   
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| 7660   
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| 9000   
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| 1775   
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| 8   
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| 92   
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| 202   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 27   
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| 10   
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| 106   
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| 233   
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| 2250   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 28   
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| 11   
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| 122   
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| 268   
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| 536   
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| 10916   
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| 12000   
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| 2525   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 29   
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| 13   
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| 141   
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| 310   
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| 620   
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| 12208   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 30   
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| 14   
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| 162   
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| 356   
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| 712   
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| 13740   
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| 14000   
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| 3175   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 31   
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| 16   
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| 185   
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| 407   
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| 814   
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| 15464   
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| 15000   
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| 3575   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 32   
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| 19   
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| 211   
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| 464   
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| 928   
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| 17400   
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| 16000   
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| 4025   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 33   
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| 20   
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| 240   
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| 528   
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| 1056   
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| 19582   
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| 17000   
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| 4525   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 34   
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| 23   
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| 272   
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| 598   
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| 1196   
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| 22072   
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| 18000   
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| 5100   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 35   
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| 26   
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| 307   
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| 675   
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| 1350   
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| 24870   
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| 19000   
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| 5750   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 36   
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| 31   
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| 346   
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| 761   
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| 1522   
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| 28008   
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| 20000   
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| 6475   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 37   
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| 34   
+
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| 390   
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| 858   
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| 1716   
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| 31574   
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| 21000   
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| 7300   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 38   
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| 38   
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| 439   
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| 965   
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| 1930   
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| 35596   
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| 22000   
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| 8225   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 39   
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| 44   
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| 495   
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| 1089   
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| 2178   
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| 40122   
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| 23000   
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| 9275   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 40   
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| 49   
+
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| 558   
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| 1227   
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| 2454   
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| 45220   
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| 24000   
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| 10450   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 41   
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| 52   
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| 629   
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| 1383   
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| 2766   
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| 50944   
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| 25000   
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| 11775   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 42   
+
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| 58   
+
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| 709   
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| 1559   
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| 3118   
+
−
| 57456   
+
−
| 26000   
+
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| 13275   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 43   
+
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| 62   
+
−
| 799   
+
−
| 1757   
+
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| 3514   
+
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| 64684   
+
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| 27000   
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| 14950   
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 44   
+
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| 65   
+
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| 901   
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| 1982   
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| 3964   
+
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| 72920   
+
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| 28000   
+
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| 16850   
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|-
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 45   
+
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| 71   
+
−
| 1016   
+
−
| 2235   
+
−
| 4470   
+
−
| 82230   
+
−
| 29000   
+
−
| 19000   
+
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|-
+
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 46   
+
−
| 76   
+
−
| 1146   
+
−
| 2521   
+
−
| 5042   
+
−
| 92716   
+
−
| 30000   
+
−
| 21425   
+
−
|-
+
−
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 47   
+
−
| 79   
+
−
| 1292   
+
−
| 2842   
+
−
| 5684   
+
−
| 104522   
+
−
| 31000   
+
−
| 24150   
+
−
|-
+
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 48   
+
−
| 85   
+
−
| 1457   
+
−
| 3205   
+
−
| 6410   
+
−
| 117832   
+
−
| 32000   
+
−
| 27225   
+
−
|-
+
−
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 49   
+
−
| 89   
+
−
| 1643   
+
−
| 3614   
+
−
| 7228   
+
−
| 132866   
+
−
| 33000   
+
−
| 30700   
+
−
|-
+
−
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 50   
+
−
| 92   
+
−
| 1853   
+
−
| 4076   
+
−
| 8152   
+
−
| 149864   
+
−
| 34000   
+
−
| 34625   
+
−
|-
+
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 51   
+
−
| 92   
+
−
| 2090   
+
−
| 4598   
+
−
| 9196   
+
−
| 169016   
+
−
| 35000   
+
−
| 34626   
+
−
|-
+
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 52   
+
−
| 92   
+
−
| 2357   
+
−
| 5185   
+
−
| 10370   
+
−
| 190534   
+
−
| 36000   
+
−
| 34627   
+
−
|-
+
−
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 53   
+
−
| 92   
+
−
| 2658   
+
−
| 5847   
+
−
| 11694   
+
−
| 214884   
+
−
| 37000   
+
−
| 34628   
+
−
|-
+
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 54   
+
−
| 92   
+
−
| 2998   
+
−
| 6595   
+
−
| 13190   
+
−
| 242368   
+
−
| 38000   
+
−
| 34629   
+
−
|-
+
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| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 55   
+
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|    92   
+
−
|    3381   
+
−
|    7438   
+
−
|    14876   
+
−
|    242368   
+
−
|    39000   
+
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|    34630   
+
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|}
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Archiving the current table in easy to read format. The new data I have doesn't have AV GM etc.
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[[User:Catwhoorg|Catwhoorg]] 21:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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== XP per level ==
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This is wrong. I did tests (level 35 character, level 33-38 in bricks on Medics, and 35+39-41 in the RWZ on Rikti infantry and guardians.)
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{| border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center" style="text-align:center"
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| -2 || 0.44
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| -1 || 0.55
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|-
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|   0 || 1
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|-
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| +1 || 1.35
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| +2 || 1.78
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| +3 || 2.53
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Here's the old table:
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{| border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center" style="text-align:center"
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+
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| -5 or lower || 0
+
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|-
+
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| -4 || 0.2
+
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|-
+
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| -3 || 0.4
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|-
+
−
| -2 || 0.6
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|-
+
−
| -1 || 0.8
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|-
+
−
|   0 || 1
+
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|-
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| +1 || 1.2
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|-
+
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| +2 || 1.4
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|-
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| +3 || 1.65
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|-
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| +4 || 1.9
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| +5 or higher || 2
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[[User:Fulmens|Fulmens]] 16:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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: Update- still under discussion on forums. Argument is that my percentages are "of the XP for a level 35 opponent" rather than being "of the XP for the appropriate level enemy"- so a 39 (+4 to me) would be the XP for a 39, times 1.9.
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This came up on the forums, someone ran a few tests that demonstrated that the information here is clearly not the case. I've tagged it as historical since I can't think of anything better to tag it with. [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 05:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:I removed the historical tag. Instead, we should work toward making the information correct. {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 07:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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::Which parts need to be updated? --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 14:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::Primarily the parts on distribution on teams I think. In a [http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showpost.php?p=2142802&postcount=29 forum discussion] someone ran a few quick tests in the AE which pretty clearly demonstrate that those rules are wrong. I think that the single player XP values are correct since I was doing some solo play last night and the values I was getting for even level enemies seemed to match. [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 16:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::Interesting.  That may actually be a bug.  The tweak the devs made to the system some time ago (I'd have to mine the patch notes to see when) was supposed to set a hard limit on the XP at the value for +5.  Doesn't look like the system is currently working as intended based on the numbers in that thread. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 20:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::What's unclear to me in the linked post is 1) which of the characters was the data collected from (the 43 or one of the 50s?) and 2) what the XP in the data was for (minion, lt., boss, AV, mission completion?)  If the XP numbers in the post are for the 43, those numbers are WAY more than what you should get even for a boss kill, so I might assume that they were for a mission completion.  And if we're talking about mission completion bonuses, the data currently in the article doesn't apply because we don't have the mission bonus XP in the table at the moment. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 21:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Well I sent Smurphy a PM asking what parameters it's used but for what it's worth a few weeks ago I was leveling my Defender in an 52 AE boss farm and as a level 47-49 was seeing 10K+ XP per kill despite being SK'd to 50 and on full or almost full teams. [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 21:51, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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Removed outdated stuff

Previous discussions (now archived) mentioned that much of the article was outdated. Those concerns were raised a year ago and nothing was updated. Rather than leaving outdated information in the article, I've removed much of it. If anyone can re-add it with correct data, please do. Also, can anyone verify whether the information that remains is valid? I'm somewhat suspect of the Experience Rewards Table, especially with all of the asterisks floating about it. -- Sekoia 21:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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