Talk:Dual Blades

Combo Tables

I used class="wikitable" to get the general table formatting (thin borders, grey backgrounds on headers). Comments? Suggestions? --Konoko 02:00, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Looks much better like this. I'm still questioning my use of colors in the tables. At the very least they ought to be changed to a paler hue, like the blue in the nav bar. Now to add a little more detail to the combo effects! -Pythe 14:42, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm thinking about combining the combo attack tables... I'll throw an idea at the bottom here, after I sketch it out here... -Pythe 15:13, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Combination Attacks

Greydog made a suggestion below, and I've added it to the power tables to see how it looks. While keeping Pythe's original combo tables might be redundant, some players might be able to understand the combos better in that format, myself included. My vote is to keep both. --Konoko 18:36, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Scrapper (with combos)

	Power	Level	Effect	Weaken {{{Effect1}}}	Empower {{{Effect2}}}	Attack Vitals {{{Effect3}}}	Sweep {{{Effect4}}}
	Nimble Slash	1	Melee, Minor Damage (Lethal).	1	1
	Power Slice	1	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal).				2
	Ablating Strike	2	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal), Foe -Defense.	2	2	1
	Typhoon's Edge	6	Point Blank Area of Effect Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal).	3			3
	Blinding Feint	8	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal) Self +Damage +Accuracy.		3
	Confront	12	Ranged, Foe Taunt
	Vengeful Slice	18	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal), Foe Knockdown.			3
	Sweeping Strike	26	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).			2
	One Thousand Cuts	32	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).				1

For this table I prevented Attack Vitals from wrapping onto a second line. It looks cleaner, but at lower resolutions the power descriptions become squished.

	Power	Level	Effect	Weaken {{{Effect1}}}	Empower {{{Effect2}}}	Attack Vitals {{{Effect3}}}	Sweep {{{Effect4}}}
	Nimble Slash	1	Melee, Minor Damage (Lethal).	1	1
	Power Slice	1	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal).				2
	Ablating Strike	2	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal), Foe -Defense.	2	2	1
	Typhoon's Edge	6	Point Blank Area of Effect Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal).	3			3
	Blinding Feint	8	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal) Self +Damage +Accuracy.		3
	Confront	12	Ranged, Foe Taunt
	Vengeful Slice	18	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal), Foe Knockdown.			3
	Sweeping Strike	26	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).			2
	One Thousand Cuts	32	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).				1

Brute, Tanker, Scrapper

Combo Name	Empower	Weaken	Attack Vitals	Sweep
Effect	+Damage (Like Build Up)	Enemy -ToHit, -Def	Cone Minor Damage Over Time(Lethal)	PBAoE Minor Damage(Lethal), Knockdown
Open	Nimble Slash	Nimble Slash	Ablating Strike	One Thousand Cuts
Continue	Ablating Strike	Ablating Strike	Vengeful Slice	Power Slice
Finish	Blinding Feint	Typhoon's Edge	Sweeping Strike	Typhoon's Edge

Stalker

Combo Name	Empower	Weaken	Attack Vitals	Sweep
Effect	+Damage (Like Build Up)	Enemy -ToHit, -Def	Cone Minor Damage Over Time(Lethal)	PBAoE Minor Damage(Lethal), Knockdown
Open	Build Up	Sweeping Strike	Ablating Strike	Build Up
Continue	Assassin's Blades	Power Slice	Nimble Slash	Assassin's Blades
Finish	Placate	One Thousand Cuts	Vengeful Slice	Ablating Slice

Combined Combo Table

This seems reasonable, if hard to read. Perhaps seperate each combo into its own table? Or color each main rows alternately? -Pythe

Still hard to read with colors. Comments? -Pythe

While I like icons, I'd rather have the names there, but Tanker/Scrapper/Brute is a little too wide. --Konoko 20:12, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

I find this the easiest one to read and distinguish between Combo orders for the ATs, I'd re-arrange the Combo Names so they were alphabetical, but that's just me. --Mekk

Combo Name	Effect	Attacks
Empower	+Damage	Nimble Slash	Build Up
		Ablating Strike	Assassin's Blades
		Blinding Feint	Placate
Weaken	Foe -ToHit, -Def	Nimble Slash	Sweeping Strike
		Ablating Strike	Power Slice
		Typhoon's Edge	One Thousand Cuts
Attack Vitals	Cone Minor Damage over Time(Lethal)	Ablating Strike	Ablating Strike
		Vengeful Slice	Nimble Slice
		Sweeping Strike	Vengeful Slice
Sweep	PBAoE Damage(Lethal), Knockdown	One Thousand Cuts	Build Up
		Power Slice	Assassin's Blades
		Typhoon's Edge	Ablating Strike

GreyDog's out-of-his-gourd idea

This is a tricky concept to get across. Personally, I find the Power Name/Icon confusing, in isolation. They only way I really get a sense of a power is seeing it in the context of the whole powerset. So, an ideal chart for me would look something like this... --Greydog

Powers	Weaken	Empower	Attack Vitals	Sweep
Nimble Slash	1	1
Power Slice				2
Ablating Strike	2	2	1
Typhoon's Edge	3			3
Blinding Feint		3
Confront
Vengeful Slice			2
Sweeping Strike			3
One Thousand Cuts				1

I could be out of my gourd, however. Feel free to ignore my comment if I'm in the minority.--GreyDog 17:19, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

No no no, nothing is ignored if it gives someone a ridiculously brilliant idea. Observe: The Power Table section is supposed to give a concise yet meaningful list of powers. Your table could be tacked on to the end of each power table. --Konoko 20:02, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Scrapper (original table)

	Power	Level	Effect
	Nimble Slash	1	Melee, Minor Damage (Lethal).
	Power Slice	1	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal).
	Ablating Strike	2	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal), Foe -Defense.
	Typhoon's Edge	6	Point Blank Area of Effect Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal).
	Blinding Feint	8	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal) Self +Damage +Accuracy.
	Confront	12	Ranged, Foe Taunt
	Vengeful Slice	18	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal), Foe Knockdown.
	Sweeping Strike	26	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).
	One Thousand Cuts	32	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).

Scrapper (with combos)

	Power	Level	Effect	Weaken {{{Effect1}}}	Empower {{{Effect2}}}	Attack Vitals {{{Effect3}}}	Sweep {{{Effect4}}}
	Nimble Slash	1	Melee, Minor Damage (Lethal).	1	1
	Power Slice	1	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal).				2
	Ablating Strike	2	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal), Foe -Defense.	2	2	1
	Typhoon's Edge	6	Point Blank Area of Effect Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal).	3			3
	Blinding Feint	8	Melee, Moderate Damage (Lethal) Self +Damage +Accuracy.		3
	Confront	12	Ranged, Foe Taunt
	Vengeful Slice	18	Melee, Moderate Damage(Lethal), Foe Knockdown.			3
	Sweeping Strike	26	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).			2
	One Thousand Cuts	32	Melee (Cone), Superior Damage (Lethal).				1

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter...--GreyDog 20:44, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

I'll second that, I like this one. The only thing we're missing is what the effect of each combo is. That, I figure, could easily be summed up where the current table exists with a simpler table or bulleted list. -Pythe 11:19, 5 November 2007 (EST)