https://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&feed=atom&action=historyParagon Wiki Archive talk:Article Guidelines - Revision history2024-03-29T05:12:14ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.25.1https://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&diff=270120&oldid=prevSekoia: use Project: for links2020-05-15T21:01:59Z<p>use Project: for links</p>
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</table>Sekoiahttps://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&diff=243204&oldid=prevSekoia: /* So I dug this hatchet-sized hole */2012-12-01T08:55:34Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">So I dug this hatchet-sized hole</span></span></p>
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</table>Sekoiahttps://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&diff=240269&oldid=prevRigel Kent: /* So I dug this hatchet-sized hole */2012-09-07T06:03:16Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">So I dug this hatchet-sized hole</span></span></p>
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</table>Rigel Kenthttps://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&diff=240261&oldid=prevSekoia: /* So I dug this hatchet-sized hole */2012-09-06T09:01:08Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">So I dug this hatchet-sized hole</span></span></p>
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</table>Sekoiahttps://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&diff=240259&oldid=prevBlondeshell: /* So I dug this hatchet-sized hole */ +reply2012-09-06T05:38:55Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">So I dug this hatchet-sized hole: </span> +reply</span></p>
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</table>Blondeshellhttps://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&diff=240123&oldid=prevRigel Kent: /* So I dug this hatchet-sized hole */ new section2012-09-02T20:15:45Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">So I dug this hatchet-sized hole: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Rigel Kenthttps://archive.paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Paragon_Wiki_Archive_talk:Article_Guidelines&diff=225509&oldid=prevSekoia: /* Factual errors */2012-05-04T20:19:37Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Factual errors</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I reviewed the discussion above to find points of contention to start new topics on, but there's so much and it's all over the map that I'm not going to try to start new sections for specific points because I suspect I'd end up starting four or five or more of them and who knows if I'd even hit them right. So Rigel and TonyV -- please review your comments above as well as the existing policy. If you still feel there should be policy changes made to Future Content, please start a new section for each specific, discrete change you'd like to see made. Please ''don't'' make a single monolithic section with a number of proposed changes; that makes it harder to make progress on things since the discussions then get tangled together. I'm not trying to suppress the conversation here, I'm just not sure how to go about wrangling it in a way that does justice to your concerns. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 23:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I reviewed the discussion above to find points of contention to start new topics on, but there's so much and it's all over the map that I'm not going to try to start new sections for specific points because I suspect I'd end up starting four or five or more of them and who knows if I'd even hit them right. So Rigel and TonyV -- please review your comments above as well as the existing policy. If you still feel there should be policy changes made to Future Content, please start a new section for each specific, discrete change you'd like to see made. Please ''don't'' make a single monolithic section with a number of proposed changes; that makes it harder to make progress on things since the discussions then get tangled together. I'm not trying to suppress the conversation here, I'm just not sure how to go about wrangling it in a way that does justice to your concerns. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 23:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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